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Guilt over a lost friendship, AIBU?

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guiltguiltguilty · 09/09/2024 21:44

NC for this.

I think often about a friendship I had and lost. We met in secondary school, we were both the clever girls who weren't at all popular and a bit into the non-mainstream things (we liked grunge when everyone else liked Spice Girls). We were very the very best of friends. My friend, call her Diane, had a boyfriend, Edward, during secondary school, we were friends, too. Edward was one year older than us, and when he went to uni, he and Diane sort of continued their relationship, long distance, but were open to seeing other people. So they were together for about two years and the relationship ended naturally, no big break up but just weren't a thing anymore. I ended up going to uni where Edward did and we became friends. A few years later, we both stayed in that city and Diane had gone on to do graduate work abroad. Edward and I developed romantic feelings for each other and had a sort of FWB thing, we didn't want to ruin our friendship but were really quite in love. This was back in the 90s/early noughties, so we didn't have mobiles and email to communicate with Diane. We did see her occasionally when she'd come round the holidays but never told her aobut our relationship/FWB (perhaps also because we never named it as such but also because it felt so hard to admit). However, we felt quite guilty but the longer it went on, the harder it was to say something. Eventually, he and I stopped seeing each other (we couldn't commit and it seemed like it was ruining our friendship) and he told Diane about what had happened over the course of the past couple years. He also started a new relationship with a new woman.

Diane was furious with me and said she never wanted to speak to me again. As far as I know, she and Edward also never spoke again. We were all 25 or so when this happened. I communicated with Diane by email a few times in the following years, we were cordial and then one day she said she'd prefer not to hear from me again. I still feel bad about it. Edward emailed me during the pandemic and asked how I was doing, we didn't communicate any further.

Am I the absolute worst person, or is this just bad judgement of your early 20s? We are all now in our mid-40s. For context, I have been in therapy recently (I can't even bring myself to tell my therapist this story!) and processing my very traumatic childhood (I was physically and sexually abused for many years by a close family member). I don't want to use that as an excuse, but I do think it helps explain some of my actions in seeking out solace in a trusted person and bad boundaries. I've never violated anyone's trust in that ever again (or before that!) and it still haunts me.

OP posts:
Shoxfordian · 09/09/2024 21:47

Forgive yourself, she overreacted but you should have told her - she probably felt more betrayed because you didn't say anything.

FranceIsWhereItsAt · 09/09/2024 21:51

I don't think that anything you did was that bad OP. Diane chose to move away, time moved on, relationships moved on, and she was stupid to get upset when Edward told her about your relationship. At that stage in our lives we're all still developing into the adults that we are going to be, and it's not until you reach about 30, that you finally know who you are for the most part. It's such a shame you've allowed yourself to feel guilty about it for all these years, my advice would be to talk to your counsellor about it, and then put it behind you. It really wasn't such a big deal in the general scheme of things.

Lesmiserables2024 · 09/09/2024 21:55

You are being very hard on yourself. They hadn't been a thing for years and best friend or not she's not entitled to know everything about you.

KreedKafer · 09/09/2024 22:02

Honestly… none of this is the huge deal that you think it is. You slept with a mate and another mate took it badly. This is very much the sort of thing that happens in your teens/early 20s, especially in the time you’re talking about. Friendships are chaotic at that age and those were chaotic times. You really didn’t do anything unusual. And it’s completely normal for people to lose touch over the decades anyway.

sesquipedalian · 09/09/2024 22:16

Your friend had finished with this chap; you went to the same uni; some time after that you developed feelings for each other and had a “thing” for a while - what’s to feel guilty about? Friends get together with other friends’ exes - it happens. Don’t beat yourself up about it.

AtYourOwnRisk · 09/09/2024 22:28

KreedKafer · 09/09/2024 22:02

Honestly… none of this is the huge deal that you think it is. You slept with a mate and another mate took it badly. This is very much the sort of thing that happens in your teens/early 20s, especially in the time you’re talking about. Friendships are chaotic at that age and those were chaotic times. You really didn’t do anything unusual. And it’s completely normal for people to lose touch over the decades anyway.

Exactly. I moved back to my university city a few years ago, which got me thinking about the complicated amours of that time. I saw a lot of people I hadn’t seen in nearly 30 years at a 50th birthday, and was inwardly smiling because I remembered a lot of emoting about it being ok to have gone out with X just after he left Y.

guiltguiltguilty · 09/09/2024 22:59

Thank you so much for the replies, honestly I’m in tears. I’ve been carrying this around with me for so long and always felt so bloody guilty. I’ve always felt it was the absolute worst thing I’ve ever done. It’s lovely to hear that you all disagree xx

OP posts:
FranceIsWhereItsAt · 10/09/2024 00:21

I'm so pleased to hear that by simply posting on MN we have been able to help you see that you aren't that terrible person you've been thinking you were for all this time OP. I hope you sleep well tonight.

armadillio · 10/09/2024 00:46

I think Diane was a right piece of work to act like the betrayed lover.

She and Edward had broken up years before you got together and she lived abroad!

You are well rid of her and owe her nothing.

How are you now?

YankSplaining · 10/09/2024 02:54

All you did was get in an awkward situation and not know how to deal with it. Edward and Diane were definitely not in a relationship anymore and you weren’t in the wrong to get involved with him. I can see why Diane was angry that no one had told her, but I also can easily see how you didn’t really know what to say. “Edward and I are not actually dating, but you should know that we’re having sex on occasion”?

You don’t need to carry this around with you anymore.

PaillettenBedeckt · 10/09/2024 03:01

No, this really isn't a big deal.

My best friend and I had the same boyfriend. Not at the same time. I dated him first and it turned into more of a friendship. Then a year or so after that, she got together with him. She was really into him but it also didn't work out.

We're still friends now. It's just one of those things. We wouldn't stop being friends over that!

Please forgive yourself.

Battyasfeck · 10/09/2024 03:10

You have done nothing wrong. Forgive yourself ❤️❤️❤️

autienotnaughty · 10/09/2024 06:05

I don't think this is something to lose a friendship over.

But you don't know what he told her. He could have made you the bad guy.

It is what it is. You have all moved on and you need to respect her wishes even if it is a over reaction

MadonnaLouiseVeronicaCiccone · 10/09/2024 06:27

Shoxfordian · 09/09/2024 21:47

Forgive yourself, she overreacted but you should have told her - she probably felt more betrayed because you didn't say anything.

This.

Isitmeyourecookingfor · 10/09/2024 07:47

Another one saying forgive yourself! Maybe you should have told her at the time, but you weren't seeing her much. She has over reacted and you have done nothing wrong.
Would you consider telling your therapist, they would help you unpick your feelings around the guilt you feel. Xx

Stainglasses · 10/09/2024 07:54

I guess you should work out what it is exactly that you feel guilty about. Is it keeping a secret from her? Or did you think that she still liked him and you were crossing a friendship boundary in that respect?

either way, it’s in the past and so are these friendships.

I think you should talk to your therapist about it all.

best of luck. We ALL have things in our past that we feel uncomfortable about.

nomoretoriesforme · 10/09/2024 08:42

I'm going against mainstream here but similar situation happened to me with my ex boyfriend and ex friend. I was the betrayed side and to be honest never forgiven both of them. I also don't really trust female friends after that. I've also been abused in my youth but never ever in my life I'd have gotten together with any of my friends current or ex boyfriends. It's not about abuse , it's more about moral compass for me .

MinorTom · 10/09/2024 08:54

Shame is a weird thing. The people who should feel it, the people who have done extremely wrong often don’t feel it and it people who have been wronged often have developed an extreme capacity for feeling it. Often in the cases of abuse for example the abuser puts shame onto the victim. The victim then carries around this propensity for feeling shame into other aspects of their life. You do not need to feel ashamed in this situation. Friendships after school, especially in the past without our same means for communication ebb and flow in life. You were not really friends with Diane in any meaningful way when you got with Edward. She did not get ownership rights over him for life. She is entitled to whatever feelings she had on the matter but her feelings are not fact and they don’t mean that you did something wrong or are a bad person. You didn’t cheat with him. You need to start developing a capacity to be more self forgiving and compassionate, these are the antidotes for the shame that you developed because of the abuse you experienced.

MinorTom · 10/09/2024 09:13

nomoretoriesforme · 10/09/2024 08:42

I'm going against mainstream here but similar situation happened to me with my ex boyfriend and ex friend. I was the betrayed side and to be honest never forgiven both of them. I also don't really trust female friends after that. I've also been abused in my youth but never ever in my life I'd have gotten together with any of my friends current or ex boyfriends. It's not about abuse , it's more about moral compass for me .

I’m sorry you felt upset by your experience but your moral compass is your own, they are the rules you live by and they are not rules that bind other people. The situation described in the OP is not infidelity or cheating.

While your version of a similar scenario undoubtedly hurt you if they got together years later in another context completely as per the OP, and they weren’t really friends with you any longer then although you felt betrayed it does not mean they are wrong. Wrong for you, undoubtedly, that is for you to decide but not bad people.

As an aside I think feelings of betrayal are some of the hardest to get over because it leaves us questioning ourselves and our ability to read people, in essence we wonder if we can trust ourselves.

pinkdelight · 10/09/2024 09:42

There was a thread on here a few days ago where someone's friend went out with their ex and didn't tell her. The OP was upset but very insistent that she didn't mind them having a relationship, but not being honest about it was the thing that really hurt her, especially from her friend. It sounds like that's the same for your friend and I think that's understandable, so there's no reason to slag her off and say she's the one at fault here. Which isn't to say that the OP is at fault either. I really think it's one of those unfortunate things where people try to do the right thing in a tricky situation and it ends up going badly. OP doesn't have to blame herself or anyone, but try to forgive herself and feel some acceptance for who she was - that it wasn't a big mistake to regret. It was a decision she made and that's okay. The friendship could have run its course for many reasons anyway, just as the relationship with the guy didn't work out either. Better to not build any of it up into unwarranted significance and to leave it all in the past. Many youthful friendships have an intensity that fades and we move on to more appropriate friendships that suit who we've become. Try not to see it as 'lost'. Perhaps it's more that you're feeling lost and this guilt feels like a solid thing to keep hold of, but really you need to free yourself from it and move forward.

zingally · 10/09/2024 10:49

I don't think you've done anything wrong OP.

Diane and Edward weren't together, and hadn't been for some time by the time you started hooking up. Frankly if Diane is THAT hurt about something that happened the better part of 20 years ago, that's a her problem, rather than a you problem.

DaniMontyRae · 10/09/2024 11:01

zingally · 10/09/2024 10:49

I don't think you've done anything wrong OP.

Diane and Edward weren't together, and hadn't been for some time by the time you started hooking up. Frankly if Diane is THAT hurt about something that happened the better part of 20 years ago, that's a her problem, rather than a you problem.

But Diane isn't upset about something from 20 years ago. She was upset at the time and chose to end her friendship with the OP.

I think I would be upset if my friend was dating/fwb with my ex for 2 years and never told me. Especially if we spent time together as a three, which it sounds like they did. It would feel like they were laughing at me behind my back.

@guiltguiltguilty do you know why Edward told her after the split? Seems a bit like shit-stirring and that he wasn't such a good mate to either of you.

armadillio · 10/09/2024 11:01

nomoretoriesforme · 10/09/2024 08:42

I'm going against mainstream here but similar situation happened to me with my ex boyfriend and ex friend. I was the betrayed side and to be honest never forgiven both of them. I also don't really trust female friends after that. I've also been abused in my youth but never ever in my life I'd have gotten together with any of my friends current or ex boyfriends. It's not about abuse , it's more about moral compass for me .

So you’d have an issue with an old friend from school who you haven’t seen in 6+ years dating an old boyfriend that you haven’t seen for 6+ years at least?

DaniMontyRae · 10/09/2024 11:03

armadillio · 10/09/2024 11:01

So you’d have an issue with an old friend from school who you haven’t seen in 6+ years dating an old boyfriend that you haven’t seen for 6+ years at least?

But they were still seeing Diane when she came home for the holidays.

pinkdelight · 10/09/2024 11:09

So you’d have an issue with an old friend from school who you haven’t seen in 6+ years dating an old boyfriend that you haven’t seen for 6+ years at least?

That's not what she had the issue with. She didn't know they were dating, they kept that hidden and still saw her and she only found out later. It's more the dishonesty that made her feel like OP wasn't really a friend she could trust or want to be with. To make it about her being jealous about the ex is the kind of thing that would make her feel more foolish and hurt - that they assumed this about her and hence were effectively duplicitous, keeping it behind her back.

As I said, I don't think that's something that the OP should hold onto guilt about now, but she has to look it in the face, own her choice and forgive herself for it, not create more negativity by chalking it up to her friend being the one at fault.

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