Abolishing single person CT discount

[Iwishicouldflyhigh]

It won’t affect me, but this is really crap if Labour bring it in. I can’t imagine they will actually, it would affect so many people who already financially struggle from living alone.

AIBU to think this is DM stirring the pot?

I didn’t say people wouldn’t be disadvantaged. I also think the public sector stuff is such a red herring, it’s been rattling on for years and does anyone remember Boris making all manner of promises about rewarding key workers after the pandemic which never were realised? I don’t think that Labour making good on that is a problem, I worked in the NHS for ten years and remember only too well year on year pay freezes despite the cost of living rising. I still know plenty of people working in the public sector who earn very little, do not have gold-plated pension pots and go above and beyond to keep the plates spinning, both in the NHS and local government.

I was wondering how so many people had missed that? It’s in the Hansard.

Seems a waste of time raising wages only to then increase cost of living even more. They might get a pay rise but that's wiped out by higher council tax and housing costs. Wouldn't it be better to lower the cost of living instead? That would also be fairer as it would include low income pensioners, the disabled, and low waged private sector employees.

Returning briefly to my post about London. I just realised the added slap in the face for council tax payers there. Outside of Wandsworth and Westminster, many London boroughs (as I know from friends in London) have high council tax. Yet when people who've been paying that council tax need help from council services, i.e. housing, they're socially cleansed out. So they've basically paid for something they're not getting.

Ive seen what the pensions and benefits are in the public sector. Underwritten by the tax payer. Lucky them compared to the private sector.

My main quibble is that 2 Tier seems to be targeting certain groups to bear the pain. Groups that traditionally don't vote Labour. And rewarding other groups that support Labour. THE BLACK HOLE is repeatedly cited by Rachel Reeves on one hand to justify cuts against pensioners in particular, yet on the other hand bumper payrises are given to the non productive public sector notwithstanding THE BLACK HOLE. Interestingly where I live about 50% of working people are employed by the state. That's a nice little voting base for Labour..they aren't going to vote against their own interests so I can see why 2 Tier is bribing them with nice fat payrises. It's hard to swallow though if you ever believed in Labour being for the poor and vulnerable in society. Although I never believed that.

Why not go by what they have said rather than whether they discounted a wild rumour emphatically enough for you?
Apologies for saying the transcript was on this thread, it was on another, similar one. This is what was said:
Kemi Badenoch asked Angela Rayner: “It’s been reported that the Secretary of State is being lobbied to increase council tax and remove discounts like the single occupant discount Will she take this opportunity to reassure the House that the Government has no plans to increase council tax as they assured us before the election?”
Ms Rayner replied: “Yes.”

As she was asked about both in the question by KB and replied with a single word answer, she has answered both parts. Trying to suggest otherwise is scaremongering.

@Scandiviews1 referring to the PM as ‘2Tier’ tells me a lot about you and your political position and values. Could you explain exactly what you mean by the name?

If you are single with kids you are not a single occupier! Single person discount is for houses where one person lives! And yes, you should pay less than the family of four next door. All utilities should have a single person discount- sole occupiers proportionately pay far more for everything than people in a family.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is introduced. Single parents would probably get an exemption as Labour won't want to be seen to be worsening child poverty.

No government cares about single people - it's all "hard-working families" etc.

Yes, I could never understand why it was so hated.

So you think electricity, gas etc shouldn't be based on what you use? Maybe get the supermarkets to do single person prices while you are at it.

Well I didn't come up with it myself! So Google in this case is your friend. The fact that you know who I mean by 2Tier means you already know though.

This is such bullshit. Pensions in the NHS have been consistently eroded over the years. People in full time employment doing essential jobs - like nurses - are having to use food banks. For over a decade, people have fallen far behind private sector pay, with raises of 1% being common. I am sick of right wingers piling on public sector workers - they are not the problem - they keep the country going. That they are some kind of drain is Tory rhetoric at its most toxic.

SPD applies to a single parent of children (i.e. people under 18). It doesn't apply once those children become adults.

I think the discount should increase. At the moment 2 working adults in a household pay 50% each. A single working adult pays 75%

Private sector pensions aren't underwritten by the taxpayer unfortunately.

Anyway I'm not denigrating public sector workers. I'm denigrating the approach Labour are taking by taking from the most vulnerable in society (pensioners who cannot work to raise more money) and giving to very well paid public sector workers such as train drivers. Who also have a fantastic pension scheme. Reverse Robin Hood. Or a two tier approach.

I really hope it's just pot stirring. It would affect me hugely!

I have drafted an email to my Labour MP (whom I very much supported during the election).

In addition, abolishing the 25% rebate will affect more women than men as lower earners, single parents and retired single women.

Every one pays for the electricity and gas they use. But I do get a discount on my water bill, which is right - I use far less than the family of four next door. Cant have a water meter which would mean paying even less, so it is right that my lower usage is reflected in my fees. Just like I produce less rubbish and use fewer local public services. So I pay less which is right. But hey, carry on with ridiculous comments.

Thanks I didn't see that one.

My father always thought it was fair as well.

I think it had its problems (an understatement). But I can see why it was originally introduced.

Maybe the best idea would be to increase central taxation and councils get a grant from government, everyone gets the same and there's no postcode lottery as now. it's not right that some people get better local services than others. So effectively the direct opposite of what the Coalition and Tory governments were trying to achieve.

But clearly someone living on their own should pay less than a couple, or a family.

Councils are also asking the government to scrap the 5% cap on annual increases.- I think this is going to be the change.

It would certainly need a rebrand of name 😂

@Scandiviews1 I know some people use it and I know what those people's agenda is. What I'm seeking to understand is why it's used. Can you explain something g 2 tier you have observed please?

I think it's fair that a couple should pay twice what a single person pays

Issue with poll tax was that, within a local authority, the rate was the same for each person. So, Jack and Jill in their multimillion house paid the same rate as Tom and Jane in their tiny flat

Irresponsible Daily Mail scaremongering. Not a true story. OP, please could you ask @MNHQ to amend your thread title because this will scare the fuck out of many impoverished single people on here. Please. Multiple posters on these threads who are not realising this is a scare story which lends it legitimacy. Thank you

You just need to add ‘debunked’ to the title or something like that please