Lucy Letby’s scribbled notes

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At times when I’m feeling acutely distressed, it’s not at all unusual for me to scribble all sorts of dreadful thoughts down on paper eg die die die, hate hate hate, I hate you, I hate you, what’s the point of you, my fault, stupid me, etc etc etc, usually scribbling them all out so nobody can see what I’ve written. I’m pretty sure this is quite a common response to acute mental distress. I agree with this article that it feels very surprising that Letby’s scribblings were used as evidence of a ‘confession’.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/i-am-evil-i-did-this-lucy-letbys-so-called-confessions-were-written-on-advice-of-counsellors

Posters are talking as if the parents would rather their babies were murdered.

I’d rather know my baby died of natural causes even if suboptimal care was involved.

The parents thought they had answers and closure.

But there cannot be peace where there is neither truth nor justice.

Quite honestly I think whatever happened to these poor children is so terrible, regardless of who the perpetrator was, that idle speculation on an internet forum is in really poor taste. Can't people find something less tragic to gossip about?

Posters are talking as if the parents would rather their babies were murdered.

No we're not that's just sadly the reality and calling for a retrial to put the parents through even more hell is just unthinkable.

The parents thought they had answers and closure.

They do

But there cannot be peace where there is neither truth nor justice.

You speak with a lot of certainty for one who admits she has no idea if LL is innocent

You speak with a lot of certainty for one who admits she has no idea if LL is innocent

Oh the irony…

I've heard about celeb cleaners but I believe there are definitely 'cleaners' on mumsnet. LL's 'cleaners' determined to make her look innocent. Thankfully, there's no trial by the public so it doesn't even matter what anyone here thinks.

I'm with the grieving parents and agree with everything they've said. Shame on people who'll excuse and wave off everything LL did - everything! - just to claim her innocence.

Posting this for anyone else who has not yet read it. Summary of all the evidence presented in the trial.

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/R-v-Letby-Final-Judgment-20240702.pdf

@NoButBut quite! It seems like at this point an utter refusal to believe she could be guilty, more will come out and they'll just double down. Quite fascinating really what people are prepared to dismiss just so they don't have to admit they're wrong.

Agreed.

Very true, and it's not just this issue either @Firefly1987 @NoButBut - the mental gymnastics some of these posters will perform, to avoid having to make any kind of accommodation in their thinking!

What makes you think from what I wrote that there is anything wrong with me?

You don’t seem to credit numerous sets of parents with much intelligence do you? If only they could all be as clever and clear thinking as Letby’s supporters (none of whom went through the massive ordeal of listening to every scrap of evidence in the trial and testimony from the witnesses and accused like they did).

I think it’s fascinating that people are so convinced she did this on the basis of such nebulous , flawed and (in some parts) downright non-sensical evidence.

Actually I don’t find it fascinating- I find it deeply disturbing. And this is what passes for justice in this supposedly evolved democracy of ours.

Yes I saw that but I understand that Ben Myers is still part of her legal team as the most senior member, happy to be corrected if wrong.

Oh you may be right in that case! I thought she had completely changed her team.

This has got nothing to do with the intelligence or character of the families.
This happens in every single wrongful conviction case. It’s always deeply distressing and re traumatising for the victims’ families. Nothing could be more understandable.
nevertheless troubling cases do need to be reviewed and wrongful convictions do need to be corrected. Ultimately that is the only course of action that serves the interests of justice.

Yes, they were led to believe LL murdered their babies by the 9 long months of utterly convincing evidence that was meticulously gathered and presented by police and prosecutors and by the almost complete absence of counter evidence or coherent explanations from Letby and her team. That is how the justice system works in EVERY successful conviction.

That is how the justice system works in EVERY successful conviction.

it’s really not unfortunately.

I find defending a serial baby killer disturbing. You'd have her still working on the unit because "there's no evidence " apparently-she'd be into the hundreds of victims by now if you had your way.

It’s always deeply distressing and re traumatising for the victims’ families. Nothing could be more understandable.

I get the feeling that LL supporters are simply paying lip service to the victims’ families when they express sentiments like this and that their sympathies are very much more with Letby herself, which is something I find quite disturbing, especially as many accept she may in fact be guilty anyway. If they genuinely had sympathy for the trauma of these parents they would not seek to add to their suffering when opportunity presents itself, whether on forums or by brandishing placards in protest, or by giving interviews to the media. Her legal team have matters in hand, they are the ones being paid a handsome salary to get her back out on the streets, everyone else is just letting off a load of hot air about things they don’t fully 100% understand. In my opinion.

Cool story bro.

Of course it is, you even said so yourself. Juries convict on the basis of compelling evidence, what else do you think convinces them to return a unanimous guilty verdict?

This is just emotional manipulation. Pure and simple.

It is absolutely appropriate and important to discuss potential miscarriages of justice- especially ones like this which have such wide reaching implications (eg for healthcare).

Of course it’s upsetting for the families, but those of us who are interested in this case are not accountable for that- that is on the heads of those who spearheaded this shoddy investigation and conviction.

I am desperately sorry for the families. At the same time I am not going to stop speaking out for justice in this case.

Have you ever heard of wrongful convictions?

It's really odd to describe the evidence as nonsensical and nebulous? What's nonsensical about the case that the prosecution brought? Each baby was investigated by a different team. They independently came to the same conclusion. What about Letbys own interviews and evidence on stand? She didn't convince either jury and the case was properly heard which meant there were no grounds for appeal. It's like we are talking about two different trials.

In very brief:

Nonsensical parts of the case-
The method of murder by injection of air into the stomach.
everything about the insulin cases.
the use of statistical inference.
Dr Jayaram’s testimony.

Nebulous parts of the case:
pretty much everything else.