Lucy Letby’s scribbled notes

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At times when I’m feeling acutely distressed, it’s not at all unusual for me to scribble all sorts of dreadful thoughts down on paper eg die die die, hate hate hate, I hate you, I hate you, what’s the point of you, my fault, stupid me, etc etc etc, usually scribbling them all out so nobody can see what I’ve written. I’m pretty sure this is quite a common response to acute mental distress. I agree with this article that it feels very surprising that Letby’s scribblings were used as evidence of a ‘confession’.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/i-am-evil-i-did-this-lucy-letbys-so-called-confessions-were-written-on-advice-of-counsellors

Where are you getting the information that the number of babies with acuity rose dramatically in 2015/2016, what was the percentage increase? Is it inaccurate to say that in all of the cases in which Letby was found guilty of murder or attempted murder that she was in sole charge of the baby shortly prior to their distress or death?

But they ARE claiming to be experts. Which is really, really scary when you read the obsessive nature of some of these posts.

I really wonder at the wisdom of MNHQ letting this stuff stand.

I used to write notes of 'self-loathing' almost daily in my teens and twenties. Even now I'm in my 50s, I still do it sometimes in moments of stress and despair. It's often triggered by disproportionate feelings of guilt and embarrassment.

No one needs to apologise for their opinions on a popular crime piece. No one was there or is making things up.

So quote some of the posts claiming to be experts.

This is one of the things that gets me about the chart. If you decide, in the course of making such a chart, that it makes sense to include Letby as present when she was working an adjacent shift, because after all she might have done something that took a while to take effect, or for the effects to be noticed, that’s an absolutely fair and logical decision. As long as you then do the same for everyone else who appears on the chart. Did they? We don’t know because they haven’t been transparent at all about their criteria, but I would bet a good deal of money the answer is no.

Yes they do need to apologise because it's offensive to the doctors to imply babies died because they didn't downgrade the unit soon enough (I don't know if that's even in their power) as someone upthread suggested. Also offensive to say her defence was bad just because they don't like the verdict. And I'm sure all this doubting her guilt is upsetting to the families and anyone else involved. They know the truth, and I'm sure they don't need to hear some of the clueless public calling for a retrial-I mean can you imagine the upset to them if that actually happened?! Go read their devastating victim impact statements if you think they have any doubt on the verdict.

Everyone has been blamed except the only people responsible-Lucy Letby and the hospital managers! It's insane.

Hospital stats. Yes it is inaccurate to say that.

Eg Baby K died at Arrowe Park hospital.

The CoD was noted as “severe respiratory distress” and “extreme prematurity”. The mortality review at Arrowe Park concluded Baby K’s extremely poor condition on arrival meant death was unavoidable as she had received sub-optimal care at CoCH. She had arrived “extremely unwell” (in contradiction to the COCH claim that she was “stable”), with apparently undiagnosed severe lung disease, low and uncontrolled blood pressure, uncontrolled blood sugar and kidney failure.

The sub-optimal care included multiple repeat procedures; delays in achieving central lines and administration of fluids and antibiotics; and 3 extubations - one of which the Arrowe Park consultant was present for as part of the transport team.

The mundane reports are taken from the same period. The point is that she kept a very low number that were supposedly related, and a huge other number that weren’t - from this period, so more to do with her behaviour at keeping information that she shouldn’t, than actual trophies as made to look by the media. The stats don’t support the view.

Exactly. That’s my question. I doubt it.

We don’t even know the medical criteria by which “incident” is defined, so the chances of a definition of “present” is slim. It seems to mean in the building at some point that day. Or not even - eg 12 June when Evans diagnosed an air embolism and then realised LL was on holiday.

How do you know it's not common or usual? Because people don't tell you?

It comes back to the airy ‘we’re not using statistics!’ claim, which they seem to think has given them carte blanche to not use statistics properly.
It’s clear from reading some of Richard Gill’s pre Letby case writings that one reason why he is a very highly regarded statistician is that he is good at understanding the human by which the data is gathered and consequences of that, as well as the more abstruse mathsy stuff.

Sorry, typo, that should have said human processes by which the data is gathered.

This.

There were detailed causes of death for the babies. And patterns in the ways they were killed. The sorts of things that had to be done on purpose.
LLs defence was that the hospital was poorly resourced, staff overworked, poor hygeine - all very vague and which would not account for what was seen.
And if innocent why did she take medical notes home, or change notes to make it appear she wasn't there.

The notes were not a big thing in the trial. They are only a big thing outside of the trial in the media. Letby was convicted on a wide range of evidence, which included proving how her accounts of where she was and what she was doing were not true, and showing how there was no credible alternative explanation for the deaths. I followed the trial from the beginning and was initially sceptical but the weight of evidence was overwhelming by the end. I personally think the conviction was sound.

Can you please link to the hospital stats. I have tried looking for them online with no success, thanks in advance.

Everyone has been blamed except the only people responsible-Lucy Letby and the hospital managers! It's insane.

LL stands to die in prison. I'd say she is getting the blame at the moment!

Google is your friend.

an arrogant consultant culture

An arrogant consultant culture, in which they are ignored,, dismissed, criticised, their requests delayed (or ignored), overruled, threatened with "consequences" and the GMC, ordered to write apologies and to attend conciliatory meetings with a junior staff member they have expressed concerns about by management.

An arrogant consultant culture - in which LL, junior to them, writes them letters about how she will be back on the unit.

Ok then.

@3tumsnot1 It would be classed as surveillance where I work (if I were to do it). I can look once and that’s it.
I’m not legally qualified so maybe not the right term, I don’t know.
-one must ask the prosecution, if these things mean fixation and murder why did she "coincidentally" keep 236 records and make 2,256 searches for people she isn't accused of murdering? Well maybe she didn’t consider them ‘special’ enough, they didn’t fit her type.

I would agree with you but she’s not just saying she hates herself, she’s also saying she killed them. I don’t tend to say I did things I didn’t.

Because they scapegoated and bullied a junior member of staff to cover up for the failings in the unit that they ran. They ignored the pathologists, the managers, the RCPCH report, the Hawdon report all of which told them: there is no evidence to support their wildly medically implausible theories and the babies died of natural causes and and suboptimal care.

Once they lost the grievance case with LL and the bereaved parents were closing in threatening negligence lawsuits - they went police to frame her for murder to save their careers.

I've scribbled all sorts of stuff over the years BUT if I found my scribbles were focussed on "hating myself" then I would be seeking some sort of advice and help in my more lucid moments, if I had any shred of 'normality' left in my life.

Never mind LL and her scribblings OP, if hating yourself is the focus of your own scribblings then please try and seek help for why you write that. It doesn't mean you're anything like LL at all so don't even find similarities, you're not like LL at all.

I think this has always been my main concern

I didn't follow the trial but I listened to the whole of the LL trial podcasts afterwards. The evidence, as presented, was overwhelming evidence of her guilt.

If that evidence is now being called into doubt, then it is right that these avenues are fully examined.