Lucy Letby’s scribbled notes

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At times when I’m feeling acutely distressed, it’s not at all unusual for me to scribble all sorts of dreadful thoughts down on paper eg die die die, hate hate hate, I hate you, I hate you, what’s the point of you, my fault, stupid me, etc etc etc, usually scribbling them all out so nobody can see what I’ve written. I’m pretty sure this is quite a common response to acute mental distress. I agree with this article that it feels very surprising that Letby’s scribblings were used as evidence of a ‘confession’.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/i-am-evil-i-did-this-lucy-letbys-so-called-confessions-were-written-on-advice-of-counsellors

If ‘every baby who died was being treated for suspected sepsis’, it would be reported, Mirabai.

Don’t make claims you can’t prove.

But you can see the evil in her eyes Cormorant. And the jury didn’t rely on track suit evidence don’t you know….

Simply a response to someone saying she had not slept. In fact, she was booked in after a full night's sleep when she was arrested at her home wearing her Lee Cooper tracksuit, ergo - she was in her civilian clothes and not sleep deprived at the point of the mugshot. You can see her blue hoodie in the photo. HTH.

A lot of babies in the nicu are treated for suspected sepsis - cause the checklist for the sepsis pathway is sufficiently wide to try to allow for quick treatment. Similar for adults, they'd rather treat quickly than miss it, cause quick treatment makes a difference.

That doesn't prove they died of sepsis, but it does prove that their presentation was poor enough to be one of the points from the sepsis pathway.

That you aren't aware of this proves there was a mismatch in either the reporting or the case itself vs scientific facts. Which is exactly what we are arguing!

You dont have very good understanding as to the actual point that I am making about her, clearly.

I’m pretty sure regardless of the fact she’d been at home all night she probably was not sleeping well during this time period. She was 7nder a lot of stress.

Even if she had slept maybe this is just what she looks like with no make up. I have bags under my eyes, I’m pale, I look rough without foundation.

im just saying you can’t see evil or guilt in her by a photo. It’s ridiculous.

@Mirabai is known for making things up to support her claim that LL is innocence.

49% for YANBU. It’s fascinating and heartening how quickly public opinion on this case is changing. When the conviction first happened it was almost unthinkable to express any doubts on mumsnet on the safety of the conviction.

It always happens on MN. Someone is convicted of a horrific crime but a load of people come on and defend that person (or even if caught red handed), usually by saying they were having a psychotic episode. It happened with Southport recently and it happened a couple of years back when that little girl had her throat slit in front of her parents - so many people defending the murderer and ignoring the victim and her family.

For some reason on MN there are always people who think the mental suffering of the perpetrator has to be handled more carefully and sympathetically than the parents who’ve kids have been murdered, apparently their sitters, loss, grief and subsequent mental health doesn’t matter because ‘poor kiddy murderer’.

And I say this as someone who has terrible mental health issues.

I’ve followed the case and I think she is guilty, personally, but that’s my own opinion from what I have learnt. I haven’t watched the recent documentary.

Well known by who? You? The person who has nothing to say except trust the authority of the justice system and look at her evil face/ tracksuit?

If Lucy Letby had been an ill favoured, woman of colour then there would have been demands to bring back the death sentence. People are so unbelievably influenced by visuals.

But if you could look behind Lucy Letby's blonde, blandness you would see an endless, screaming void, a total absence of compassion or empathy. Not all people who are born are actually human. She is a horrific aberration of Nature.

Yes mainly because I am having trouble believing anyone would be arguing anything that ludicrous.

I am saying I see the awareness of her own guilt in her mugshot. Its not about looking rough or having no make up. Its how she comes across to me and what this picture conveys when you find out how she stalked the parents on facebook, relentlessly pursued those babies to murder them. It might not come across like that to you. Its not fact its my personal opinon that cannot be proven. I don't care what you perceive or feel about her and what you see in the picture.

I deeply don't care what you believe or think. I am not arguing I am saying it is my opinion.

That’s just as well.

I don't even know what she looks like, I haven't followed the case. I only know she's blonde because some posters are so keen to point it out.

My interest in this case is purely the science of it, which to me does not look up to scratch.

IMO neither a brilliant judge nor a brilliant defence team can automatically understand the scientific arguments here, to understand what they are permitting/defending, and nor am I throwing any shade at the jury for finding based on the information they were given.

I've said far more than that as you know but you are only capable of seeing this issue through the viewpoint of her being innocent so there is no point debating this with you. As I said before, it is like arguing with a flat earther.

Goodness.

It seems there are a large number of people who are disappointed they missed the opportunity to knit at the tumbrils, would thoroughly enjoy a day out at a public hanging, and probably think the Inquisition was the pinnacle of justice.

There's a reason we don't have the death penalty, and it's because revenge is not a good basis for justice, and sometimes innocent people are deemed guilty on circumstantial evidence.

Imagine for one second what it's like to be accused of something you didn't do and then find you're caught up in a battle of wills with the odds stacked against you and no hope of beating the system. I'll wager you'd look a bit rough after months of institutional gas-lighting too.

This is why it's important that evidence is robust - and in this case it is not. Why it wasn't challenged by the defence is a can of worms to be sure. Contentious medical evidence and criminal court are poor bedfellows.

Sally Clarke, Angela Cannings and the Webster family are prime examples of this.

That cannot be said with any certainty as post mortem findings and histology in cases of suspected sepsis are most often nonspecific.

There’s a pattern of treatment of suspected sepsis along with other factors followed by death. Eg Baby C had red flags for sepsis, post-mortem findings of widespread hypoxic/ischaemic damage to the heart/myocardium' due to lung disease. Baby D died from "pneumonia with acute lung injury" - ie uncontrolled infection.

Good. Does this mean you will stop?

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Stop what? If you don’t want people to comment on your ridiculous posts you could just stop making them- nobody has a right to post on message boards and not have their posts disagreed with. But as you don’t care what I think I don’t see why it matters to you whether I do or not.

FWIW, however, the idea that you can perceive guilt in mugshots is beyond stupid.

Many people experience acute mental distress everyday and have NEVER written down anything like that. I'm surprised you seem to think this is how people generally respond, it is definitely not. If you are writing things like this down it is pointing to being dangerous unwell and you should seek help, I mean that very kindly but there is help out there (medication and therapy) that could help lower your distress levels and manage your anxiety.

So did the Birmingham six/guildford four. The legal establishment maintained for years it was all done properly and if the public knew all the facts they would know they are guilty. Turned out they were fitted up by the establishment.

More recently we had all those post office employees done over by our legal system too.

It does happen unfortunately and may have happened here, especially with a lot of experts now saying the Jury has been misled on much of the evidence.

The idea that someone is too thick to believe that you cannot perceive human emotions form images from art or photographs does not surprise me. I have encountered many reductive, ignorant people who lack any kind of depth. Pitiful quite frankly.