To ask a stupid question? Noah's Ark

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So I am not religious, but I would say I was brought up Christian. I would say my parents were non practicing Christians, but I was taught bible stories as truth and facts. The logical adult in me now says that most of the events can be explained quite simply.

Onto the question. Noah's Ark, is there any evidence of a global flood? Noah was supposed to have taken two of each animals onto the boat while the earth was flooded and wiped out everything else.

Surely this was simply a regular flood like we see today?

What are peoples beliefs or knowledge on this?

@SababaToo I know you don't believe this stuff because you're not a bible liberalist but surely you can see that in the way you're interpreting it - whilst obviously not believing it - you're sort of falling into the trap of not seeing it as contradictory but easily explained. You say that we can take from this part of Genesis that while Adam isn't the first male human he is the first man. What does that mean? Should we assume that there are female humans as well or is Eve the first female human and the first woman? I'm guessing that we need to assume that humankind is both male and female otherwise Eve is going to have to give birth to a shed load of babies. If we assume that, then what is different about these males and females and Adam and Eve?

Ultimately I think trying to make sense of things like the creation myth and the whole species/kind thing is pointless because in order for any of it to make sense you have to accept that it's contradictory, pretend that it isn't, make up lots of reasons that it absolutely is true and have blind faith. Instead, if we accept that it's just another set of myths and stories shaped into another religion this one monotheistic unlike most of the early myths and that it's just a way of trying to make sense of the world we don't have to tie ourselves in the same knots as literalists or fundamentalists.

It's always struck me as rather dodgy that nearly everyone on earth was pure evil - in what way? - and one descendent of Seth, just the one and his missus and their sons and the sons wives, are good enough to be saved.

No.

took a slightly patronising turn there…

who are the scholars who think Moses was real, I still have some academic journal logins so looked and couldn’t find anything. Even a cursory google showed nothing except that there is no evidence to confirm there existence, but that there plausibility to Moses. Genuinely curious. Especially as some scholars (minority) debate that Jesus even existed, and the Romans were excellent record keepers and there is no trace of the census that the bible says Mary and Joseph were travelling back for at the time of Jesus’s birth. Obviously jospehus and tacitus reference him and his brother so that’s enough proof for the studies of the historical Jesus. But from my reading (whilst at work today) studies of other biblical figures can’t confirm their historicity in the same way.

so scholars attest that as the Hebrew bible references Noah and Abraham those too are historical?

this subject always sticks in my mind because there was students at university who claimed there was more evidence of Jesus and Muhammad, which there fundamentally isn’t because there are scores of non Islamic sources confirming his existence

so scholars attest that as the Hebrew bible references Noah and Abraham those too are historical?

Well, exactly. The Torah also references the nephilim, talking animals, Samson losing his strength because of a haircut, people living hundreds of years, giants, and angels that looked like wheels covered with eyes. I'm guessing that the average scholar wouldn't say that those are all literally true.

Exactly that was my question, the poster said that the Hebrew bible is viewed to be a historical source in and as of itself which therefore affirms the existence of the people referenced in it? Does the same logic apply for Noah and Abraham?

to me that seems a bit like the museum at topkapi palace in Istanbul, claiming to have Abraham’s cooking pot and Joseph’s very turkic turban

Oh dear.

How many people did Jesus feed with fish and bread? How much fish and bread was there?

What happened at the resurrection? Who went to the cave?

Different accounts in different gospels.

None of it happened. It's a book of homilies designed to fleece people of their money and subjugate women
As are other religious texts
As are the overwhelmingly male 'preachers' of the lies in these novels

These stories are myths. The bible/any religious book is not fact, therefore any culture/religion/peoples claiming the acts of violence, territory grabbing, murder and rape they undertake are sanctioned by their 'book', are disingenous and just using their religion as an excuse

Do people really believe that all the places/people who claim to have a piece ogpf the 'one true cross' really have a piece of it? Iff that were true, the dross would have to be the size of the Shard

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I'm off for a long bath!

A year? At a university?

Yes, of course. That's it! The vengeful bastard in the sky and the naughty angel with a tri-pointed stick who fell from grace trope

Yes, he does in catholic iconography.
Can't be having our 'spiritual' leader being darker then us can we?
This just shows how hippocritical, rude, cruel and bigoted Christian religions are

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You 'know' him!!!!!!

As a Christian, I always assumed Gpd used natural laws to enact his will. It would be strange for God to break physical laws that he established.

Oh yes I can.
I can deny it second by second, minute by minute, and so on.
Do not tell me what I can or cannot deny, particularly when you are telling me that such incredible bullshit. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence and processing power, can deny such ridiculousness

Wait.... You absolutely genuinely believe a man thousands of years ago was able to get a mating pair of animals of all kinds? And then get them on a boat?

You think he was able to get giraffes, elephants, tigers, emus, pythons, bears, penguins .... And they all got in a boat and lived and some how got them back to the poles, rainforests, deserts, mountains etc?

The fact that you're using such emotional and ideological language makes me wonder why you're so invested in something you think is pure nonsense.

I can see how the old and new testaments could be seen very differently. E.g Genesis and various other stories - people of almost all cultures have invented stories of how the earth, and the life in it, came to be. And as per my pp, stories like Noah and the Ark, the 7 year famine, could be folk memories turned into stories that explained things somehow, long before any scientific explanation was possible.

It’s often occurred to me that the very earliest beginnings of any religion, could have started with rainbows.
How on earth would very early humans have explained those, except by inventing some super-powerful being who also sent storms and other bad things, but sometimes liked to show you that s/he was in a good mood? Maybe they’d better try to placate him/her with offerings - some fruit, a calf, perhaps the odd virgin…

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Possibly at Brigham Young.