To ask a stupid question? Noah's Ark

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So I am not religious, but I would say I was brought up Christian. I would say my parents were non practicing Christians, but I was taught bible stories as truth and facts. The logical adult in me now says that most of the events can be explained quite simply.

Onto the question. Noah's Ark, is there any evidence of a global flood? Noah was supposed to have taken two of each animals onto the boat while the earth was flooded and wiped out everything else.

Surely this was simply a regular flood like we see today?

What are peoples beliefs or knowledge on this?

Most of the stories probably started in fact but were passed down verbally from parents to children as bedtime stories/life lessons etc. it doesn’t take much for a big flood to become ‘the whole world was flooded’ or Noah down the road who happened to be a bit better at reading the weather than everyone else being ‘spoken to by God’ and putting a couple of his cattle onto a raft becoming ‘two of every animal’ in the mouth of a good storyteller.

Where did I say that you cannot deny? I said that I personally cannot. You can deny whatever you like, you can mock, you can blaspheme, but don't fool yourself into thinking that you will do so without consequence.

Wtf?! Are you threatening her or is this a hereafter fire and brimstone consequence?

There is a Day of Judgment coming and every single one of us will give an account for what we have done. God warns us not to mock Him: 'Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.' Galatians 6:7.

Again, whoever reads that on here can respond however they like. But God calls us all to repent of our evil. Not only does He in His kindness warn us, but God incarnate, the Lord Jesus Christ, out of love for sinners took the punishment for those who do repent 2000 odd years ago on the cross. 'But God commendeth his love towards us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us' Romans 5:8. If we repent from sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ He promises to forgive us, Romans 10:13.

That’s assuming your religion is the true religion. Personally I don’t think it is. God also warns you not to worship false idols. Even Jews don’t consider Christianity a monotheistic religion but they do consider islam a monotheistic religion. Perhaps one of those faiths are the true religion?

Nice little threat at the end - believe or else

Is this the same God that ignored the Holocaust because - free will ???

It's exactly how Christianity works isn't it. Follow these rules or face damnation...

I am not mocking or blaspheming because I don't believe

Being brought up Catholic I was very much a believer but my recollection is that they mostly kept hell and damnation away from children although given I genuinely had a fear of the devil coming up through the toilet while I was sitting on it to pinch or bite my bum, I had clearly been made aware in some way of the "existence" of a bad devil. As I grew older, however, the way we were taught to believe was very much yeah, hell and all that, er, um, let's move on to being nice to each other.

All of which is to say, on a micro level at least, some Christian sects have cottoned on to the fact that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar and the threats of eternal damnation are understood to be counterproductive in a more enlightened world. That said the Catholic church saw fit to canonize mother Theresa of Calcutta in recent years and a lot of people would and have argued that she was far from saintly, so it's all still as dodgy as ever.

I am not accounting to any man or 'god' be that the day of judgement or Bingo Thursday

yes, the real Noah's ark in nowadays Turkey, where is really was lodged , as Genesis says, on the slopes of the Mount Ararat.

if you want to see a documentary about it, an American guy called Rick Renner ( type this in youtube ) starts docu series on the whole thing just tomorrow. This is the ark itself, it is a national officially recognised Turkish park and it has been studied through scientific methods. There is petrified wood in it, the same size as described in the Bible, chambers of woods where the animals were, in the area there are many anchors found, ancient ones, made of stone and bear in mind this site if 75 miles in land. Good luck

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@weAllWanttheBest I posted a link to an article about it at the beginning of the thread. But it was ignored! Glad I'm not the only one who had seen it!

And the museum in topkapi palace in Istanbul has the staff of Moses, Noah’s hat, Abraham’s cooking pot and Joseph’s 15th century ottoman turban… fgs

I’ve got a bridge I can sell you

🙂this is the aerial actual footage. It was done initially in the 60s by the US military in some soft of an early google map of the whole world. When some specialists started looking around the world, they realised they are looking at a man made ship, lodged in soil, 75 miles within land

I am trying to post the image, but does not let me. Will try a third time

This is the actual footage

It’s a rock formation. It’s called the Durupinar site

It’s also 18 miles away from Ararat

How did animals such as polar bears from the Arctic, camels from deserts, lions etc from Africa, and all other animals from all the continents all get together? 😂

Wouldn't they all have been fighting/eating each other? 🤔And how massive must the ark have been, in order to house them all?? It's just a fairy story

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And, there are over 300,000 different species of beetle alone. How on earth did he get all those on board without missing one?
If I were Noah, I'd have taken most of the beetles on board, but I would have told the woodworm to make their own arrangements.

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"As a Christian, I always assumed God used natural laws to enact his will. It would be strange for God to break physical laws that he established"

That view became necessary because of the rise of education.

It got embarrassing for an educated Christian to say "oh yes Moses held a snake and god magicked it..." and then we learned about geology, evolution and so on. Young earth creationism had to be discarded (by everyone who finished school).

But if god only used natural events that meant any floods, lightning strikes, (or asteroid strikes in Sodom and Gomorrah?) were going to happen anyway so it wasn't about people deserving it. If he caused it to happen then it wasn't natural at all. There's not really a good way around that.

And it means that no prayer was ever answered if it required god to actually do something. No one was ever brought back to life or given supernatural strength.

Each solution brings its own problems, headaches and cognitive dissonance.

There's only one explanation that allows us to sit back and think "phew that's ok then" and that is that the bible is a collection of fairy tales, proverbs and poetry.

And we shouldn't forget that it is literally a collection. The books of the bible were not written to be in the bible. They just happened to be some of those available when the church was deciding what it wanted people to believe. They selected what they needed from a variety of sources and padded it out with poetry.