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To think this is not my mistake and not my problem

68 replies

Iybwsp · 27/08/2024 12:45

This is likely to be long so I apologise, but the circumstances are slightly complicated and I don’t want to drip feed. The context is perhaps not directly relevant but goes towards my feelings on the matter so I’m including. I’ve bolded the TLDR.

I had booked to go on holiday with a friend last month. We were moving around and were meant to stay in 3 hotels and the trip involved a return flight. We have been friends for many years and are close.

Unfortunately I had to cancel the trip at the last minute due to the serious illness of an immediate family member. This was not something that could have been foreseen at the time of booking. As I would expect, she was very understanding - I’m sure she was disappointed and I apologised for the inconvenience but at the same time in the context of what was going on for me at the time, the cancelled holiday was nothing.

The flights and the first two hotels were non-refundable but the final hotel (which she had booked) was within the free cancellation period. My friend agreed that she would cancel the third hotel and therefore we would not be charged.

My portion of the cancelled trip was covered under my travel insurance. I have successfully claimed for this. However, her portion of the trip was not covered under either her or my travel insurance due to the circumstances of the cancellation (if her family member had been ill it would have been and if I had been ill it would have been but illness of my family member didn’t qualify under her policy). She spent a while deciding whether to go on the trip alone but ultimately decided not to. I understood her reasons for not wanting to go alone and I offered to make her whole for the cancellation. She didn’t ask me to do that but did accept my offer and I transferred her the money. Although I wasn’t thrilled to spend several hundred pounds on a trip I couldn’t go on, I felt reimbursing her was the right thing to do - I didn’t see why she should be out of pocket as a result of my family emergency or forced to go on a trip alone. So far, so good.

It has now emerged that she failed to cancel the third hotel when she decided that she wouldn’t go alone (we were still within the free cancellation period at that stage). We were a no show and she has been charged for the booking. Although she hasn’t yet explicitly asked me for money, I feel she is circling around it (not clear whether she feels we should split it or I should pay entirely). She also isn’t fully owning her mistake. So far I have given vague sympathetic responses.

My gut reaction is that this loss results from her entirely avoidable mistake. I’ve already spent several hundred pounds on this cancelled trip and I’m not willing to pay more. If she asks me for money, would I be unreasonable to refuse to pay?

But then part of me thinks that I should suck it up for the sake of the friendship - it won’t be that much extra money. And also that the holiday booker takes on some risk and if I got it wrong I’d appreciate people being understanding and splitting the mistake. But part of me is really quite irritated that she is bothering me with this - I think in the same circumstances I would be shielding her from as much admin as possible. And I feel I have already been generous enough in reimbursing her for a holiday she could have gone on. Also I really do feel I wouldn’t have made this mistake were the situations reversed - she is not an organised person.

OP posts:
IntrepidCat · 27/08/2024 12:49

I agree that it isn’t your issue but if it’s a negligible amount to you and your friendship is worth it, it’s a different question about whether people would reimburse or not.

Bex5490 · 27/08/2024 12:51

YANBU at all!!! She’d be cheeky to ask you for it.

SauviGone · 27/08/2024 12:52

Would I shite give her another penny, the cheeky mare.

Iybwsp · 27/08/2024 12:52

It’s definitely not negligible. Approx £250pp. But might be a price worth paying for the friendship!

OP posts:
YouveGotAFastCar · 27/08/2024 12:52

I don't think you owe the money, but if it's a negligible amount to you and you value the friendship, I'd offer to split it.

Going on a holiday you'd planned with a friend by yourself really isn't the same. That's not to say that your reason for cancelling wasn't fair, or that she shouldn't have cancelled it in time, but more that "for a holiday she could have gone on" is a bit meanspirited.

Nagatha · 27/08/2024 12:53

Absolutely not your problem. You've been more than fair enough already and I agree that with your family situation she should not even really be mentioning this.

If she's brings it up again I'd either ignore, or just firmly but politely shut her down. It was entirely possible for her to not be in this situation and it is of her own doing (well, not doing I suppose).

BitOutOfPractice · 27/08/2024 12:54

I’ll bold the bit I think is relevant.

But then part of me thinks that I should suck it up for the sake of the friendship - it won’t be that much extra money.

you’re the one who landed her in this situation (for entirely understandable reasons) so I think you should be the one doing the sucking up.

Also in what way have you been “generous”?

Allinadayswork80 · 27/08/2024 12:55

I thought you were going to say that you weren’t going to split the loss of the holiday with her, however you have done this which is very fair of you. The rest could have been avoided. It doesn’t take long to make a cancellation and I think she should foot the bill as it is her fuck up.

GoBackToTheStart · 27/08/2024 12:57

BitOutOfPractice · 27/08/2024 12:54

I’ll bold the bit I think is relevant.

But then part of me thinks that I should suck it up for the sake of the friendship - it won’t be that much extra money.

you’re the one who landed her in this situation (for entirely understandable reasons) so I think you should be the one doing the sucking up.

Also in what way have you been “generous”?

you’re the one who landed her in this situation (for entirely understandable reasons) so I think you should be the one doing the sucking up.

The situation OP "landed" her friend in was needing to cancel the hotel. Op told her, friend could have cancelled, and chose not to. That's the friend's issue, not Op's. If Op covers a hotel that was refundable but ended up being charged because friend didn't bother cancel it, she absolutely is being generous.

NyeRobey · 27/08/2024 13:01

I disagree.
She missed out on a holiday because of your family emergency. Your costs were covered. Hers were not, and not because she did not have insurance but because it was your problem, not hers.
I assume you didn't pay the full cost of the holiday that she had to cancel because of an issue that you had?

From her pov let's say the holiday cost each of you1000. She has missed out on the holiday because of your family member's illness. It can't be helped. But you were the cause of the cancellation, your 1000 was covered by insurance, and I assume she was only reimbursed 500 pounds by you. So she has still lost 500 pounds through no fault of her own, and has not been mean about it or unsupportive. Yes it's a bit annoying that she forgot to cancel the last hotel but if you want to remain friends, given that your family problem has already cost her a lot more financially and in terms of missing a holiday, I would certainly pay half.

amusedbush · 27/08/2024 13:01

BitOutOfPractice · 27/08/2024 12:54

I’ll bold the bit I think is relevant.

But then part of me thinks that I should suck it up for the sake of the friendship - it won’t be that much extra money.

you’re the one who landed her in this situation (for entirely understandable reasons) so I think you should be the one doing the sucking up.

Also in what way have you been “generous”?

Did you miss the part that said "My friend agreed that she would cancel the third hotel and therefore we would not be charged"?

The friend cost herself that money by failing to cancel the hotel. She has no-one else to blame for that and it would be massively cheeky to expect OP to pay for it.

Iybwsp · 27/08/2024 13:02

BitOutOfPractice · 27/08/2024 12:54

I’ll bold the bit I think is relevant.

But then part of me thinks that I should suck it up for the sake of the friendship - it won’t be that much extra money.

you’re the one who landed her in this situation (for entirely understandable reasons) so I think you should be the one doing the sucking up.

Also in what way have you been “generous”?

But I didn’t! She landed us in the situation by failing to cancel!

I think I have been on the generous side by reimbursing her fully for a trip she ultimately decided not to go on. She could have found another travel companion or gone alone. If I had been in her shoes I think I would probably have offered to split it. I don’t resent that part - I offered willingly and I think it was the right thing to do. But I do think it was on the generous side!

OP posts:
Cherrysoup · 27/08/2024 13:04

You’ve already given her several hundred, it’s on her for failing to cancel the third hotel, not you. I’d be gently rending her of that if she raises it again. She decided against going alone, which she could have done, again, not your problem.

GRex · 27/08/2024 13:07

I do think it's both sad and somewhat shocking that a grown adult can't take themselves off on holiday alone if a friend drops out. Anyway, she said she'd cancel so I would screenshot the message and say "you said you would cancel, so I won't cover that cost as well as all the other costs".

Out of interest, did you see actual emails from the hotel, might she have cancelled but need extra money from you?

StarCourt · 27/08/2024 13:08

@NyeRobey I think you need to re-read the OP instead of making assumptions and jumping down Op's throat.

amusedbush · 27/08/2024 13:09

NyeRobey · 27/08/2024 13:01

I disagree.
She missed out on a holiday because of your family emergency. Your costs were covered. Hers were not, and not because she did not have insurance but because it was your problem, not hers.
I assume you didn't pay the full cost of the holiday that she had to cancel because of an issue that you had?

From her pov let's say the holiday cost each of you1000. She has missed out on the holiday because of your family member's illness. It can't be helped. But you were the cause of the cancellation, your 1000 was covered by insurance, and I assume she was only reimbursed 500 pounds by you. So she has still lost 500 pounds through no fault of her own, and has not been mean about it or unsupportive. Yes it's a bit annoying that she forgot to cancel the last hotel but if you want to remain friends, given that your family problem has already cost her a lot more financially and in terms of missing a holiday, I would certainly pay half.

I assume you didn't pay the full cost of the holiday that she had to cancel because of an issue that you had?

Why would you assume that when OP explicitly said she she didn't want her friend to be out of pocket, so paid in full for the non-refundable portions of the holiday? The friend agreed that she would cancel the refundable hotel booking but she didn't.

If you had read the OP properly, you could have saved yourself a lot of typing.

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 27/08/2024 13:16

Did you ask why she had chosen not to cancel? I don’t think you should pay for that x

DaniMontyRae · 27/08/2024 13:22

Iybwsp · 27/08/2024 13:02

But I didn’t! She landed us in the situation by failing to cancel!

I think I have been on the generous side by reimbursing her fully for a trip she ultimately decided not to go on. She could have found another travel companion or gone alone. If I had been in her shoes I think I would probably have offered to split it. I don’t resent that part - I offered willingly and I think it was the right thing to do. But I do think it was on the generous side!

Fair enough to not pay half for the hotel she said she would cancel but you need to stop seeing yourself as generous for covering the other costs she incurred because you cancelled. She didn't book a holiday to go on by herself, did she? So claiming you are oh so generous because she could have gone solo is a bit of a piss take.

Wittyapple · 27/08/2024 13:29

It's unfair to say she could have gone solo - I wouldn't want to go on my own if i had planned to go with a friend. I think you did the right thing by covering her side.... that being said, it's unfair of her to expect you to pay for her silly mistake when she forgot to cancel. (I don't understand how she could have forgotten this)
Do not send any more money!

noemail · 27/08/2024 13:32

I'm really surprised the whole trip isn't covered by insurance, if one member of a small party has to cancel for an insured reason. I.e. what if she'd been your DP, would he/she have been expected to leave you and go alone?

Notreat · 27/08/2024 13:40

NyeRobey · 27/08/2024 13:01

I disagree.
She missed out on a holiday because of your family emergency. Your costs were covered. Hers were not, and not because she did not have insurance but because it was your problem, not hers.
I assume you didn't pay the full cost of the holiday that she had to cancel because of an issue that you had?

From her pov let's say the holiday cost each of you1000. She has missed out on the holiday because of your family member's illness. It can't be helped. But you were the cause of the cancellation, your 1000 was covered by insurance, and I assume she was only reimbursed 500 pounds by you. So she has still lost 500 pounds through no fault of her own, and has not been mean about it or unsupportive. Yes it's a bit annoying that she forgot to cancel the last hotel but if you want to remain friends, given that your family problem has already cost her a lot more financially and in terms of missing a holiday, I would certainly pay half.

OP paid her friend the costs for the holiday she couldn't claim in her insurance she was not at all out of pocket.
There was one hotel that could be cancelled at no cost. The friend was going to do that but she forgot it's that hotel that is now chargeable.
OP I agree you shouldn't have to pay for that as it was your friend's carelessness that has caused the problem.
But if you can afford it and to keep the friendship you could offer to pay half. Bur I would never trust her again with any arrangements

BitOutOfPractice · 27/08/2024 13:50

But it would have been difficult and or too expensive to go alone because she would have had to rebook hotels 1 and 2, I assume.

PolePrince55 · 27/08/2024 13:51

I would only have given her half of what you already have, she could have went but didn't.
I wouldn't give her any of the hotel she didn't cancel .

Have you any proof her insurance didn't pay out and have you any proof she forgot to cancel 3rd hotel?

CuriousGeorge80 · 27/08/2024 14:01

@NyeRobey can’t read.

I have actually had the exact thing happen in the past and the insurance did cover it. My friend’s dad was ill so we didn’t go and my insurance covered me. Is she totally sure it doesn’t? If so, her insurance isn’t great…

That said, I think you did the right thing morally to cover her part although she should learn to get better insurance. For the one that could have been cancelled it is completely her fault but if I could afford it without too much trouble I would offer to pay my half of it for the sake of the friendship.

Schoolchoicesucks · 27/08/2024 14:02

I think you did the right thing by covering her share of the non-refundable parts of the trip that weren't covered by her insurance. Yes, she could have gone alone but that wasn't the holiday you (both) had planned.

I don't think you have any obligation or that she would be justified in asking you to cover or split the costs of the refundable hotel - this was on her to cancel and get the refund.