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To ask what you'll be doing to avoid the Labour tax hikes

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OptimismvsRealism · 27/08/2024 11:20

Pension contributions
Gift aid
Selling my shares now while CGT is relatively low

What really worries me is that all the professionals we actually need to want to be here will just fuck off elsewhere, though.

It's not like we're knee deep in hospital doctors.

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Anothernameonthewall · 27/08/2024 13:16

@inoticed. Yes I am saying that. If people make money from assets owned in this country then they should pay tax in it.

Do you think that they shouldn't? No? They should just own everything from the land your hospital sits on, the companies you use, the car you drive, the nursing home your nan is in.... But they shouldn't have to pay tax? Are they more special than the rest of us just because they're rich enough to live on the Cayman islands?

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 27/08/2024 13:16

My very sensible high earning partner is actually starting to say some random stuff that’s unlike him so somethings afoot. It seems like there’s the potential to move to Austria through work and he’s starting to consider it. Just how bad is it going to get under Labour? I’ve honestly never heard him talk about leaving the country before.

lindyloo57 · 27/08/2024 13:19

I was on a site recently when the title said ( do you regret voting for labour) and I said how Labour had lied about putting up taxes, well so many people said that's not what they going to do and got told to get my facts right, looks like I did .

Anothernameonthewall · 27/08/2024 13:19

Just to be clear, those with extreme wealth don't need to live here to be taxed. Watch the video. They own assets in this country. That's how they make their passive income and that's what need to be taxed.

Rishi sunak makes approximately £30m passive income a week through property ownership, company ownership etc. He doesn't do anything for that except own them.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/08/2024 13:21

How can you plan for anything until we know what the budget looks like??

Quite easily, @Errors, considering it's been known for well over a year that a Labour government was pretty well inevitable and that the record clearly shows their attitude to private wealth

Which is why, while much of mine is given away or otherwise earmarked, what remains is now well out of their reach
Obviously I'll go on paying VAT etc like everyone else, but if the money runs out and it comes to actual seizure of capital they'll be barking up the wrong tree

Beth216 · 27/08/2024 13:22

We'll all have to pay more and nothing will improve, taxes go up every time a new government come in they just blame it all on the last one. Predictable as anything, I have zero faith in any of them.

Putting · 27/08/2024 13:23

Shakeoffyourchains · 27/08/2024 13:13

● 1950s Highest rate: 90%
● 1960s Highest rate: 91.25%
● 1970s Highest rate: 83%
● 1980s Highest rate: 60%
● 1990s Highest rate: 40%
● 2000s Highest rate: 40%
● 2010s Highest rate: 45%
● 2020s: Highest rate: 45%

So despite all the wailing about the injustice of the tax system the Highest earners in our society have actually had their tax burden cut in half since the 50s.

The relative amount that the highest rate is charged on has gone down, though. The rates you quoted in the 50s/60s would only apply to people on £250k - £300k in current terms.

AegonT · 27/08/2024 13:26

Nothing. We are both professionals myself in an old profession my husband in a newer one. We will stay put and pay a bit more tax. It will be small compared to what Liz Truss did to my mortgage payments!

Tiredalwaystired · 27/08/2024 13:28

SensibleSigma · 27/08/2024 11:36

Part of the problem is taxing only those with an awful lot doesn’t raise much. There aren’t many of them.
They need to tax people who will feel the pinch as well. Because there are lots of them!

Well, no.

Taking someone with as much money as, say, Jeff Bezos las a random example, will (unless they look for these immoral loopholes) would raise more than tens of thousands of other people.

Errors · 27/08/2024 13:29

Whammyammy · 27/08/2024 13:12

Let's just pray for a fair tax system where everyone sees rhe same % increase, not just those on higher salaries

Is that really ‘fair’ though??

BaconAndEggForBreakfast · 27/08/2024 13:32

Hubby and me are going to stop being the ‘bank of mum and dad’. Retirement not looking great. Might bugger off to Thailand.

Doctors do a great job but what a bunch of greedy fuckers they are. Especially the junior doctors. They get paid enough. What about all the incentives they get paid on top of their wages when they complete all their training and qualify. Not many of them will be sitting at home in winter suffering with pneumonia and chillblains because they are freezing fucking cold and skint.

Usercyzabc · 27/08/2024 13:34

Leave asap and take everything offshore. Had enough of the piss taking.

CeruleanBelt · 27/08/2024 13:34

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 27/08/2024 13:16

My very sensible high earning partner is actually starting to say some random stuff that’s unlike him so somethings afoot. It seems like there’s the potential to move to Austria through work and he’s starting to consider it. Just how bad is it going to get under Labour? I’ve honestly never heard him talk about leaving the country before.

He sounds deeply unattractive.

Julen7 · 27/08/2024 13:35

CeruleanBelt · 27/08/2024 13:34

He sounds deeply unattractive.

Deeply unattractive for wanting to move abroad?

Shakeoffyourchains · 27/08/2024 13:35

Putting · 27/08/2024 13:23

The relative amount that the highest rate is charged on has gone down, though. The rates you quoted in the 50s/60s would only apply to people on £250k - £300k in current terms.

I'd have zero issue with a 90% tax rate being introduced to those earning £250k but you'd still have the same people complaining about it and claiming it will drive away all the millionaires.

MillyMollyMandHey · 27/08/2024 13:36

Leaving the UK. It was happening anyway, but it's making it easier.

Usercyzabc · 27/08/2024 13:37

CeruleanBelt · 27/08/2024 13:34

He sounds deeply unattractive.

What?

Bunbry · 27/08/2024 13:37

Peonies12 · 27/08/2024 11:32

Me to. Happy to pay more tax.

From when I started work, £1k covered my annual tax bill, then monthly, then weekly, now it's even quicker.
Given the chance to earn an extra pound but more of it going to the taxman than me, how would you react?
I believe in society, I pay tax and additionally subsidise children, siblings and parents but if I choose to knock it all on the head, the state gets nothing.
GPs, doctors, accountants, lawyers and a host of others are working less than a full week to avoid the £100k cliff-edge. They may live longer as a result but the tax take is a lot less than if they were allowed to keep their personal allowance.

ComeonChortle · 27/08/2024 13:40

CowTown · 27/08/2024 12:15

Nobody. That was PP’s point.

The UK inc needs them. They need people earning millions who are paying 45% plus tax, with private healthcare and educating their children privately, who basically pay in and take virtually nothing out. There are more of them than you think (yes, that pay full tax on earnings), but in the last year I’ve seen many move and more start to think about moving as other countries are very keen to have them. If a hedge fund manager or one of their senior team earns £1m, that is £450,000 lost to HMRC, plus their spending (vat) and employment. You may not like them personally and feel that it is all a bit unfair, but £450k is difficult to raise from middle income earners.

TorroFerney · 27/08/2024 13:41

Sunsgoingtokeepshining · 27/08/2024 12:28

I’m in Scotland and utterly loathe the way the breathtakingly incompetent government hoses our higher taxes at their pet projects while real things - like ensuring schools in Glasgow have enough teachers - are conveniently forgotten.

People don’t leave Scandinavia because in Scandinavia public services are good. Public services are good because everyone works and pays taxes. There’s no nil rate band or tax credits etc. Everyone works hard and pays in. So many people in Scotland - Glasgow especially - have no work ethic. The benefits bill is massive. That’s why we are not Scandinavia and we won’t be Scandinavia without a total reversal in attitude to work.

Exactly that’s why people are more content to pay the tax.

Hawkerslife · 27/08/2024 13:41

Personally I think inheritance tax should take a hit. Many older individuals are sitting on hundreds of thousands of unearned wealth in property equity. Right now, me and my husband would stand to inherit around £600k if his parents passed. How is that fair? Controversially, I'd rather see this reduced than my taxes increased each month.

I earn circa 60k and still pay nursery fees so although I earn well I don't have a huge amount of disposable income.

Despite this I'm sure I'll be one of those in the middle that will see my taxes increase.

BeretInParis · 27/08/2024 13:42

I remain unconvinced that our public services are being run efficiently. I don't believe our tax money is spent well now, so taxing us more is more money out of our pockets and down the drain.

Planesmistakenforstars · 27/08/2024 13:43

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 27/08/2024 13:16

My very sensible high earning partner is actually starting to say some random stuff that’s unlike him so somethings afoot. It seems like there’s the potential to move to Austria through work and he’s starting to consider it. Just how bad is it going to get under Labour? I’ve honestly never heard him talk about leaving the country before.

Well that settles it then everyone. EvangelicalAboutButteredToast's very sensible, and possibly clairvoyant, partner has spoken.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 27/08/2024 13:45

Nothing. I'll happily pay it since I voted for paying more tax to improve public services

I don't really understand the mentality of expecting things to be better but not want to contribute to it.

OrwellianTimes · 27/08/2024 13:45

OptimismvsRealism · 27/08/2024 11:22

It won't be fairer, though. I won't see a single advantage from it. Which I think is unfair. (I didn't vote Tory as they're insane but I refuse to believe that two forms of insanity are the only option).

You find no advantage in the police, fire brigade, education, health service, MoD, running properly? Ok then…

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