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Not to host my narcissistic DM in my home for 5 days at Christmas

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UKAddendum · 25/08/2024 10:51

This is long.

My parents are in their 70s and live abroad. DM (74) has npd traits. Actually, textbook narcissist.
She manipulates me emotionally, and has no boundaries. She is verbally abusive to my DF (78) and controlling, using coercive control tactics to get him to do exactly what she wants. He isn't happy but doesn't recognise it's abuse. He cries a lot and is withdrawn.

Examples of her behaviour with him:

She uses control to stop him doing anything outside of the house without her. He has to wait on her and do all the chores because she's ill and needs support (she's not ill). He used to swim everyday and was in pretty good nick for his age. He's now not allowed to go swimming as it's taking too much time. He's looking frail as a result. Her usual tactics are to claim ill health. There is always a new thing wrong with her. She had a genuine health issue in 2022 but has carried it on. She's had every test going and is completely fine (for her age). He has to do exactly what she wants how she wants it done, when she wants it done. If not he's shouted at and belittled. Called selfish and is living like a single man.

She tells him what he can and can't eat and drink and punishes him if he doesn't obey by shouting at him that she'll be destitute if he dies- his pension will half. She constantly criticises him to the extent that my DC don't really like her anymore because they see her being mean to their DGF. She's called him a moron in front of them (not in a jokey way), presumably by accident as she generally keeps it to low level criticism in public. This gives us a bit of an insight into what happens behind closed doors.

Examples of her behaviour with me:

She claims to be ill if called out behaviour. Eg I asked her not to post personal comments about my family circumstances on my strava account. She took to her bed ill for a few days and "couldn't/wouldn't" speak to me for a week.

She claims the doctors have given certain advice eg diets to follow/contraindicated drugs not to take. Turns out none of this is true. She's imagining she's ill to keep attention. She insists on cutting out dairy and gluten because if her ill health and harps on about it at every opportunity. Food has become a weapon. She has no diagnosed allergy and has not, in fact, been advised to do this by doctors as she claims. Every time I speak to her there's a new health concern. Her liver test results mean she may need a liver transplant. Then her gums are rejecting her dental implant because she has too many antibodies attacking her tissue. Then she had lupus.

A few years ago my parents gave me money towards a house. She uses this to guilt trip me and has even recently had me send her a significantly (to me) sum of money because they're struggling financially. I've borrowed this money. Turns out they're not. DF confirms that they're doing OK. She wanted some work done on their house (he wasn't fussed). Nothing that needed to be done. No offer to pay ir back from either of them.

She has recently started to tell me that my DF frightens her and is verbally abusing her- in reality, he's getting cross at her behaviour so she tells everyone he's having a breakdown.

She sends me detailed messages about how vile my DF is to her. She claims this is triggering as she was abused as a child. In reality he's just at his wits end and is trying to establish boundaries. She claims she's having panic attacks and flashbacks to get childhood when he shouts.

She has also tried these tactics with my husband including highlighting how much money they gave us and what support she's given us (childcare when DCs were little). She wrote him a long letter about it when he called her out for not returning our DCs to us at an agreed time and not having a phone on her. She said she couldn't be around us and would be going away for xmas that year because he was so rude and ungrateful. She knows he's fragile with bi polar disorder and GAD. He doesn't work due to the severity of his mental health problems and her behaviour impacted his recovery, triggering a relapse in his condition. I also have anxiety issues. He's mental health is improving now we don't live near them, and he's started to retrain.

I'm now going low contact, and it's helping. I'm only just aware that this is narcissistic abuse.

I've already booked them plane tickets to stay with us over Christmas for 5 days. We'd be giving up our bedroom and sleeping on the sofa bed to accommodate them. We’re in our 50s so not as agile as we used to be. Plus my husband struggles with sleep due to his own health condition.

I'm not sure I can play happy families with her for that long after she's basically scammed me for money last week and is behaving in a way that I wouldn't tolerate from anyone else in my life.

My DPs don't know the tickets are booked so we can back out. I'd like to see my Dad and give him some company but they come as a package.

AIBU to not host her and stay low contact? Am I feeling conditioned guilt?

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PotatoPie111 · 25/08/2024 10:59

I’d be cancelling those tickets asap. Can you go over alone to see them sometime, but not stay with them. Control the length of time seeing them, just so you can see your dad.
But don’t let them come for 5 days and ruin Christmas, because she will.
If they ask about Christmas say you are away, are your children grown up?

Wwyd2025 · 25/08/2024 11:09

I'd cancel the tickets and I would tell your mother exactly why then I'd drop all contact with her.

No wonder you have mental health issues with a mother like that.

Purplecatshopaholic · 25/08/2024 11:16

Jesus, don’t have them come and stay, are you mad? Just no. It will cause untold harm, probably with repercussions long after they have gone home again. Don’t do it to your family, or to yourself.

frippit · 25/08/2024 11:18

This sounds exactly like my husbands mother. She caused us all untold stress and upset.
It didn't end well, when FIL died she expected my husband to take up the slave roll but he didn't. We tried to set boundaries and it was relentless.
I imagined a future where she would grind us all down and that it would kill my husband. Out of the blue she suddenly died of a heart attack, and accidentally left us some money.
When we look back we realise how bloody awful it was, we were so worn down mentally and physically.
You have no choice but to set strong boundaries, your father has chosen to enable, his choice. Put you and your husband first, tell your father you're here for him but you're stepping right back. Cut all contact if you can, good luck.

NotSorry · 25/08/2024 11:28

PotatoPie111 · 25/08/2024 10:59

I’d be cancelling those tickets asap. Can you go over alone to see them sometime, but not stay with them. Control the length of time seeing them, just so you can see your dad.
But don’t let them come for 5 days and ruin Christmas, because she will.
If they ask about Christmas say you are away, are your children grown up?

Agree with this. The only way I can cope with my DP is for me to do the visiting so I can leave when he starts being vile. Thankfully he lives far enough away now that he’s decided he doesn’t want to travel anymore. I presume he thought by saying that I’d go to him more. I don’t.

Augustisnearlydonesogoodbyesun · 25/08/2024 11:30

Cancel the tickets. Book yourself a trip. And set up a direct debit and pay her back anything she gave you.

AgnesX · 25/08/2024 11:32

Bought tickets? What on earth did you do that for?

After that post I'd not do anything of the sort.

Dotto · 25/08/2024 11:36

What the fuck have you done that for?! Obviously cancel them and continue low (or no) contact with her

Mysinglepringle · 25/08/2024 11:40

I'm so confused. Who has bipolar? And why on earth did you book the tickets? I really thought it was going to be them angling for an invite

Fallenangelofthenorth · 25/08/2024 11:44

Can you just invite your father? Guessing he probably wouldn't take you up on that offer but it might be nice for him if he knew he had a lifeline.

Is there any way you can pay back the money they gave you? It clearly came with strings attached. If this isn't possible you'll just need to be tougher each and every time your mother brings this up.

PinkyFlamingo · 25/08/2024 11:47

Why have you even considered having them to stay? Do you want your Christmas ruined.

cupcaske123 · 25/08/2024 11:54

I would cancel the tickets, tell them you're going away for Christmas. Divert her number to voicemail so you don't have to pick up her calls. Arrange to go and see your dad, stay at a B&B nearby so you can escape when needed.

PTSDBarbiegirl · 25/08/2024 11:56

you need to separate yourself from your toxic mother. You give many examples in your post about justifications but you don’t need to do that. You know the issues so can allow yourself to recognise the damage being done. Go to them if you want to see your father and take him away for a couple of nights. If you need an excuse say your mother can benefit from a good rest at home. Arrange to do something that wouldn’t be compatible with her illnesses. Cancel the plane tickets and never do this again. Go on the Stately Homes thread here and get some therapy to handle it all.

Sheeplesss · 25/08/2024 12:03

Absolutely not. Cancel them.
Contact local aged services and tell them you are reporting her abuse of your father.
Continue to go very low contact.
Tell him if he wants to leave her, you will support him.
He is absolutely in an abusive relationship.
You all are.
Do not give her any futher money.
Your poor father.

Renamed · 25/08/2024 12:14

I was also going to ask if there is an equivalent to social services elderly team where they live - your father is experiencing severe abuse by the sounds of it. If you can avoid spending any time at all ever with your mother from now on, that would be completely reasonable.

Calamitousness · 25/08/2024 12:20

Cancel the tickets. Tell her why. Speak to your dad and tell him why and let him know he can call you anytime. Then go no contact with her. If that means you see less and speak less to your dad then that’s on him. He’s an adult.

Pieandchips999 · 25/08/2024 12:31

You cannot have this awful woman anywhere near your children or husband she's unsafe. I would leave the money thing it's another form of control and after all she did give you some (albeit with massive strings attached). Don't ever accept any help or money from her again. Are you absolutely sure your Dad doesn't want to separate from her? She's abusing him through restricting his access to food and exercise. This is an adult safeguarding issue. I agree with the poster that says to tell him that you are there for him whatever happens. I wouldn't completely cut her off or tell her why as it will be an excuse to abuse your Dad.

UKAddendum · 25/08/2024 12:32

My DC are 15 and 16. It's my husband who has bipolar disorder.

I can't afford to pay back the money used to buy my house. Wasn't a loan. DF confirms it wasn't a loan and it's not expected that it's paid back-advanced inheritance sort of thing. However, in her mind clearly has strings attached. I'm the sole earner, have 2 kids gearing up for uni and little pension as I'm self employed.

She doesn't speak the language where they live. If he speaks to me without her he's accused of turning me against her. If I see him without her it would be worse for him. I can try and swing him visiting other relatives to give her a we'll earned break but it's very hard to explain to family members what is actually going on as a) I'm basically bad mouthing DM who they think is great and b) she tells everyone she's ill and vulnerable and can't cope in her own.

Thank you for confirming that having them stay is too much. I'm conditioned to do as she wants and feel bad for not living near them, even though I had no choice but to live where I can earn money, not where they live. That's another ploy she uses. I have left her......

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Justsayit123 · 25/08/2024 12:33

Cancel those tickets now. What are you thinking! Go lo contact and ignore her stupid behaviour

UKAddendum · 25/08/2024 12:39

Regarding food, she has him eat "healthily", but random rules like no gluten because you're borderline diabetic. No link between gluten and diabetes.

He has does have a tummy and she's obsessed with that meaning he has fatty organs.

He does need a little reigning in on the food and drink front, as he'd eat chips, bread and red wine all the time given half a chance, but this is just a step beyond reasonably looking after your partner. He's lost muscle mass from not swimming and is looking frail. He has no outside social activity.

He doesn't want to leave. He says he can't abandon her. They've been married since teens.

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Skybluepinky · 25/08/2024 12:44

Of course not, avoid like the plague.

Lindjam · 25/08/2024 12:45

YANBU. Keep her as far away from you and your family as possible.

You can’t save your father, he’s too enmeshed. My father escaped my NPD mother, but she refused to let him see us (1960s) until we were older and able to see him without her support or knowledge.

Don’t feel guilty or selfish. You need to stay safe.

Calamitousness · 25/08/2024 13:04

What @Lindjam said. You cannot try and save your father. He is an adult and making his own decisions. You can feel sorry for him but ultimately his choices are his to own. Stay well away from your mother. Don’t answer calls etc.

GingerPirate · 25/08/2024 13:07

OP, my mother is and always was a narcissistic abuser.
I'm 45, father dead, she's 81 and also in another country.
There is NO WAY that she would be invited into my home ever again for an hour.
Last time she visited for my wedding, 14 years ago, tried to make it all about herself.
Damaged beyond repair since childhood,
I'm sitting here waiting for it to finish for good.

UKAddendum · 25/08/2024 14:00

Thanks all.

I'm really worried about what my extended family will think of me if I don't see them. I'm an only child. I should just suck it up, let them judge, I know the truth? I'm close to some of my cousins in the absence of siblings, but they haven't seen what's gone on.

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