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Not to host my narcissistic DM in my home for 5 days at Christmas

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UKAddendum · 25/08/2024 10:51

This is long.

My parents are in their 70s and live abroad. DM (74) has npd traits. Actually, textbook narcissist.
She manipulates me emotionally, and has no boundaries. She is verbally abusive to my DF (78) and controlling, using coercive control tactics to get him to do exactly what she wants. He isn't happy but doesn't recognise it's abuse. He cries a lot and is withdrawn.

Examples of her behaviour with him:

She uses control to stop him doing anything outside of the house without her. He has to wait on her and do all the chores because she's ill and needs support (she's not ill). He used to swim everyday and was in pretty good nick for his age. He's now not allowed to go swimming as it's taking too much time. He's looking frail as a result. Her usual tactics are to claim ill health. There is always a new thing wrong with her. She had a genuine health issue in 2022 but has carried it on. She's had every test going and is completely fine (for her age). He has to do exactly what she wants how she wants it done, when she wants it done. If not he's shouted at and belittled. Called selfish and is living like a single man.

She tells him what he can and can't eat and drink and punishes him if he doesn't obey by shouting at him that she'll be destitute if he dies- his pension will half. She constantly criticises him to the extent that my DC don't really like her anymore because they see her being mean to their DGF. She's called him a moron in front of them (not in a jokey way), presumably by accident as she generally keeps it to low level criticism in public. This gives us a bit of an insight into what happens behind closed doors.

Examples of her behaviour with me:

She claims to be ill if called out behaviour. Eg I asked her not to post personal comments about my family circumstances on my strava account. She took to her bed ill for a few days and "couldn't/wouldn't" speak to me for a week.

She claims the doctors have given certain advice eg diets to follow/contraindicated drugs not to take. Turns out none of this is true. She's imagining she's ill to keep attention. She insists on cutting out dairy and gluten because if her ill health and harps on about it at every opportunity. Food has become a weapon. She has no diagnosed allergy and has not, in fact, been advised to do this by doctors as she claims. Every time I speak to her there's a new health concern. Her liver test results mean she may need a liver transplant. Then her gums are rejecting her dental implant because she has too many antibodies attacking her tissue. Then she had lupus.

A few years ago my parents gave me money towards a house. She uses this to guilt trip me and has even recently had me send her a significantly (to me) sum of money because they're struggling financially. I've borrowed this money. Turns out they're not. DF confirms that they're doing OK. She wanted some work done on their house (he wasn't fussed). Nothing that needed to be done. No offer to pay ir back from either of them.

She has recently started to tell me that my DF frightens her and is verbally abusing her- in reality, he's getting cross at her behaviour so she tells everyone he's having a breakdown.

She sends me detailed messages about how vile my DF is to her. She claims this is triggering as she was abused as a child. In reality he's just at his wits end and is trying to establish boundaries. She claims she's having panic attacks and flashbacks to get childhood when he shouts.

She has also tried these tactics with my husband including highlighting how much money they gave us and what support she's given us (childcare when DCs were little). She wrote him a long letter about it when he called her out for not returning our DCs to us at an agreed time and not having a phone on her. She said she couldn't be around us and would be going away for xmas that year because he was so rude and ungrateful. She knows he's fragile with bi polar disorder and GAD. He doesn't work due to the severity of his mental health problems and her behaviour impacted his recovery, triggering a relapse in his condition. I also have anxiety issues. He's mental health is improving now we don't live near them, and he's started to retrain.

I'm now going low contact, and it's helping. I'm only just aware that this is narcissistic abuse.

I've already booked them plane tickets to stay with us over Christmas for 5 days. We'd be giving up our bedroom and sleeping on the sofa bed to accommodate them. We’re in our 50s so not as agile as we used to be. Plus my husband struggles with sleep due to his own health condition.

I'm not sure I can play happy families with her for that long after she's basically scammed me for money last week and is behaving in a way that I wouldn't tolerate from anyone else in my life.

My DPs don't know the tickets are booked so we can back out. I'd like to see my Dad and give him some company but they come as a package.

AIBU to not host her and stay low contact? Am I feeling conditioned guilt?

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RedElephantss · 25/08/2024 14:04

YANBU ! Go NC she’s sounds horrendous

Barney16 · 25/08/2024 14:41

She sounds horrible but very unstable. Does she have some sort of cognitive decline? I do feel sorry for your dad. Pity you can't just have him to stay, he sounds like he could do with a break. Don't have them both to stay. It would be like torture.

cherryblossomtree13 · 25/08/2024 15:01

I had to re read your post as I could of written this myself the only detail that's different in my case is that my parents don't live abroad (however I am considering moving abroad myself)

My parents also gave me money towards my house. It was a gift not a loan and even had them draw up paperwork to say it was a gift. I believe that was for the mortgage companies benefit.
My mum always used the money as strings attached to get her own way, and used to tell all and sundry about it. I was grateful but it was used to be lorded over me. It was always a gift rather than a loan however at one point she came so obsessed with money she used to ring me when my dad went out to verbally abuse me about wanting it back. I even spoke to a solicitor to see if she had any right to ask for it back. I ended up remortgaging to give every penny back for my own sanity.
A couple of years after she offered another large gift and I refused and said everything comes with strings attached so no thank you.

Funny enough I told my parents last week that I wouldn't be hosting them for Xmas this year as we have been invited to DHs family. Mum played up and played the victim as per usual so I reminded her that I had hosted them for 25 years in a row and I think it was time we spent Xmas with DHs family for once and I was giving them plenty of notice.

Well this week she has a brand new aliment and is playing the victim about how sad she is she can't spend Xmas together and how it may be "her last Xmas" you just can't make it up.

maslinpan · 25/08/2024 15:06

Don't let worry about the opinions of your extended family think control your actions. Your mum cleverly presents a very different persona to them but you know what's going on behind closed doors. Is there anyone you can confide in to explain what your dad has to put up with?

DadJoke · 25/08/2024 15:09

The fact she’s your mother gives her a little slack, but this is just awful. Cancel it. Don’t worry what others think.

UKAddendum · 25/08/2024 16:06

@maslinpan I think his brother gets it, but if I said anything that gets back to her, he'd get the blame. She's got form for this.

About 10 days ago he called me crying to speak to her about the results of a liver function test. She'd already texted to say it was positive, which I acknowledged. As I'm going low contact I hadn't phoned to make a fuss. I know she's already been told not to worry about it.

I found out later that he's been getting grief for me not calling as he'd apparently turned me against her. The background is she'd seen a message I sent him earlier in the year insisting that he didn't appease her when she stops him swimming, and he must start to swim 3 times a week. He swam a mile every day until 2 years ago. This was following up on the only time he'd opened up to me about not doing anything on his own as he's called selfish.

The day he called in tears, she took to her bed with an infection in her jaw bone, declined calls, was unable to speak and asked me for money- my fault they're in financial difficulty as they've given all their money to me and my DC. She said can't take antibiotics as she's allergic/contraindicated for her medical conditions.

I've offered him support and told him to question what he wants.

Thanks all for your advice. It's fairly unanimous. I'll look back at this thread if I waiver.

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maslinpan · 25/08/2024 17:01

I'm glad our unanimous voices are helping you. It's really hard to step outside the manipulation and toxicity you are used to. Your mum is choosing to make your dad's life very miserable, nobody is making her do that. It's ok to choose to be angry about that, and also to see that your dad is too conditioned to accept her crap. You don't have to.

AgileGreenSeal · 25/08/2024 17:05

As you probably know Narcissists love to ruin holidays, family get togethers etc. I would cancel and definitely not host them at Christmas. Grey rock her and low as possible contact.

Ponderingwindow · 25/08/2024 17:12

When I wanted to see my mother who lived with my very difficult father, we would visit but always stayed in a hotel. If they came to us, which was rare, I didn’t let them stay in my house. They had to book a hotel. That space is crucial for maintaining contact while still having an escape.

LlynTegid · 25/08/2024 17:16

Back out now from hosting Christmas.

Harvestfestivalknickers · 25/08/2024 17:22

Use her ridiculous 'health issues' as an excuse to cancel her tickets. Next time she rings you to tell you her latest ailment, show far too much concern, make out its really serious, hopefully she will lap it up. The more attention she can garner, the more restrictive her diet becomes and the more she 'has to take to her bed' gives you more reason to cancel the flights. When she asks why, you can tell her that she won't be able to fly would she? She wouldn't get insurance would she? Oh no, you don't want her to get worse by travelling such a long way. It's far to arduous with her poor health.

UKAddendum · 25/10/2024 14:39

Update: have gone no contact. Plane tickets booked for Christmas visit have been given to friends to visit us instead. Much happier!

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DPotter · 25/10/2024 15:03

Delighted you've cancelled them for Christmas.

You don't say where your parents live -however is there a way you could alert authorities there to the abuse your DF is experiencing, like we have safeguarding policies for abused elderly and frail managed by local social services ? maybe your visiting friends would know

BMW6 · 25/10/2024 15:22

Well done!

Sheeplesss · 25/10/2024 16:51

Great update.
Well done.

UKAddendum · 25/10/2024 20:11

@DPotter I've spent a couple of days with DF having discussions about the control issues. He's unwilling to address it as an issue with her. I don't think the control is elder abuse but he's in a narcissistic relationship. I've come to realise he's the enabler and will defend her to protect himself. He's been offered an out, including a place to live, but has declined.

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BMW6 · 25/10/2024 22:21

Well then, he's made his choice which is fine.

Now he needs to accept you are also free to choose - which is also fine, and which he needs to accept.

Great progress, don't let him/them push you further.

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