Would Russia have invaded Ukraine and would the war on Gaza have started if the US had had a stronger president

[Kartyb]

Had an interesting discussion today but sadly was a bit out of my depth due to not following current affairs (too depressing).

The person I was taking to basically blamed the shit state of the world on a weak America. This person is on twitter all day and very well informed but I know they do have a certain bias for sure.

Just curious what you think

Trump also increased tension between Israel and the Palestinians, by moving the American Embassy to Jerusalem, despite warnings not to do so. That undid decades of diplomatic agreement.

You're confusing correlation and causation.

Yes.

A twenty year period of Russian appeasement / ignoring Putin’s previous invasions and wars emboldened him.

Also Trump’s disastrous four year presidency drove USA disengagement with global affairs. He constantly criticised organisations including the United Nations and NATO, and withdrew from parts of the UN. These are organisations America co-founded, dominates and traditionally champions.

Trump’s “America First” doctrine says it all - peace making and stopping wars has zero interest for him.

It’s all about strengthening US borders and concerning himself only about what happens inside those borders. Unless there’s a financial incentive.

Another Trump presidency will be disastrous for peace and embolden more Putins.

Ps Twitter is a rabbit hole of lies and bias, and mostly soundbites - no substance. Someone who spends a lot of time on there is less likely to be well informed!

Yes, the problem with Trump is that he admires dictators and aspires to be like them. I am surprised at the number of people who can't see that a character pathology like that is dangerous. Also, he's thick as mince.

I don't think Putin would have invaded without Brexit which weakened the EU and led to trump appeasing UK prime minister Johnson. This made Putin think he would have little opposition internationally.

Bidens abandonment of the women of Afghanistan is appalling. This was a legacy of trump's failure there

Speaking to a Ukrainian a couple of years ago he said they ere all brought up knowing that Russia would invade at some point, the only question was when.
And unless you're suggesting the US has input into the October 7th atrocities, then I don't think they have anything to do with that. After all, in terms of numbers killed it was similar to 9/11 and not that many people at the time objected to the Gulf war which resulted from that on far looser basis

Back to OP rather than the Trump diversion….. I think there is and will be increasing wars as America continues not to get involved. The Balkans will reignite next.

And you can’t really blame them…. they’ve spent gazillions being the worlds policeman just to get shit from everyone about how awful they are, what a disaster they leave, that they are warmongering etc so I think it’s ironic people now whinging that ‘America’ is weak. The world has got what it asked for ….the evil “west” has stopped intervening and isn’t it so much better 🙄

Well we basically ignored russia attacking Georgia and Crimea so if it’s weak leadership it’s been going on for a while. The Hamas attack came just before the normalisation talks between Saudi and Israel were starting to look very positive so that had more to do with regional politics than anything.

This person is on twitter all day and very well informed’

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Were Putin and Trump not friends. I remember they are. May be another reason Putin would have invaded. If I'm correct.

Not convinced Brexit did weaken the EU. It certainly weakened the U.K. but within the EU it largely weakened the anti EU voices.

Failing to deal with Orban on the other hand does show weakness.

Trump is basically a useful idiot when it comes to Putin. Putin likes to cause disruption and Trump being in the WH does that. It’s the same for Brexit and everything else he meddles in.