What Rachel Reeves does next? Surprised no thread on this yet. It's all over Twitter

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13764547/Rachel-Reeves-mulls-tax-hikes-spending-squeeze-raising-rents-social-housing-Chancellor-sees-Government-borrow-3bn-forecast-month.html

Or am I the only one interested what she is eying next? Any comment on the reasonableness or otherwise of Rachel's next focus?

Exactly. What a mess. If only Keir had had a glance at the finances before his election campaign.

He could’ve then adapted his campaign & manifesto to reflect the truth.

Poor guy.

My tax money didn't go to public sector staff to have a piss up at Xmas? What a pity.

My employers pay for their own in house GP service. It's not a benefit, they had to do it because so many work hours were lost to staff trying to get to see their NHS GP.

You based your entire argument on that? It wouldn’t even get you a GCSE.

There’s a nice little bar chart in the article you posted.

Linking public sector pay to productivity? There are problems filling lots of jobs from teachers to care workers. Good way to make it even harder.

It would be harder to recruit unproductive workers, yes.

@MauveCrow it is already hard to recruit staff. If they are told they will get less salary if they are deemed unproductive lots will go fuck that.

Excellent. When can we start?

@MauveCrow you want schools to close?

I want lazy unproductive public sector workers to fuck off, and productive ones to be paid much more.

@MauveCrow lazy public sector workers? You sound like you read the Daily Mail.

I don’t know many people that get a company car these days. That ended in the 1990s. But yes, it sounds GREAT to give the public sector workers medical and dental insurance (although dental isn’t standard many places). But employers funding employees medical insurance is JUST what is needed here. It’s basically funding the NHS more money in return for them providing a quick and guaranteed medical care! Perfect!

Nice rebuttal, but the last place I go to for information is any kind of "news" site.

Sometimes I work in a place where I’m lucky if I get half an hour’s break all day. Other times I work somewhere I’m lucky if two people come in all day.
Should I be paid less according to where my manager chooses to place me?
Oh… and how do you measure “productivity” in the public sector? Or any workplace where you don’t produce quantifiable output?

I think that is public sector workers were paid more upfront and the pension was instead just a normal employer pension it would attract more people into the public sector. The headline salary would be significantly more and eye catching.

I’m not saying that public sector package would be any less it just would not comprise of so much pension. To fund £4500 costs £100,000 in the private sector. Someone on say £25,000 has an asset of £500,000. That’s the reality of the value.

@Noras most public sector pensions are not as high as that

We can measure the productivity of the latest Tory governments: around -50 billion pounds, take or leave a few billion here and there.
First thing we should do is never ever pay them a penny again, for peerages (remove them all), the yearly allowance that they get or any other extras. They do actually own us money, quite a bit.
Even their pensions as MPs should be looked into. I bet you they do not need them. And we do. That could actually get the message across that you do not play with a whole nations bread and butter and just walk away into the sunset.

Just a couple of small points. GP’s are not part of the NHS. They are private businesses contracted in to provide services.

And your tax money may not have gone to public sector Christmas piss ups but it almost certainly contributes to those of private sector staff piss ups by way of the UC funded by the tax payer and used to top up the shite wages paid to grass roots workers.

Looking at some of the opinions you’ve expressed here, that’s fairly obvious.

I can’t remember any government of recent years who didn’t cut public spending using the excuse that the previous incumbents had left a financial mess. David Cameron used the previous Labour government as an excuse for years of ideological and totally unnecessary austerity that we still haven’t recovered from. They’re all the bloody same.

Could you work out how to tell whether a teacher is productive? Which bits of the improve,ent in performance of pupils can be assigned to which teachers? If a child I teach English starts to score more highly 8n their history essay papers, is that my productivity or his/her history teacher’s? If someone with behaviour issues starts to do better and behave better, is that result of my strong teaching, or their form tutor doing some pastoral work, or a mental health professional, or their parents laying down the law?
They aren’t widgets in a machine. Any improvement is a product of ream work.
Though you may be unaware that, even so, teachers’ pay has had an element of payment by results for quite a while now (UPSand progression up the scale are based on targets around pupil attainment).

Blair in 97. No public spending cuts, no accusations of financial mess.

How do pensions work for NHS doctors? Just wondering as they all seem to retire at 60?

I get that they have stressful jobs it’s just that so do many people.

Because it's not like the national debt levels are very high now is it ?

What would the national debt levels be like now if austerity hadn't happened ?

I would say a lot higher. Assuming people were willing to lend us the money of course. In reality the markets would have called time on it long before. Exactly like they did with Liz Truss.