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What Rachel Reeves does next? Surprised no thread on this yet. It's all over Twitter

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Sharingsomewisdom · 21/08/2024 13:50

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13764547/Rachel-Reeves-mulls-tax-hikes-spending-squeeze-raising-rents-social-housing-Chancellor-sees-Government-borrow-3bn-forecast-month.html

Or am I the only one interested what she is eying next? Any comment on the reasonableness or otherwise of Rachel's next focus?

Chancellor sees Government borrow £3bn more than forecast last month

According to the Office for National Statistics ( ONS ), public sector net borrowing stood at £3.1billion in July.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13764547/Rachel-Reeves-mulls-tax-hikes-spending-squeeze-raising-rents-social-housing-Chancellor-sees-Government-borrow-3bn-forecast-month.html

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iwishihadknownmore · 29/08/2024 12:10

llizzie · 28/08/2024 01:05

How much more wealth will come from dodgy tax claims? Would it make a difference?

HMRC say that around £40 billion of Tax was unpaid last year.

So double the Black Hole, running down HMRC over the last decade or so, has costs.

We'll never reduce the tax gap to zero but it shouldn't be £40 billion either.

Clavinova · 29/08/2024 12:15

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2024 11:57

Oh Clav, who - apart from you - actually gives a shit whether it was a note or a verbal jibe? It was a Treasury tradition either way.

It was a Treasury tradition either way

It clearly wasn't.

Sunsgoingtokeepshining · 29/08/2024 12:15

iwishihadknownmore · 29/08/2024 12:10

HMRC say that around £40 billion of Tax was unpaid last year.

So double the Black Hole, running down HMRC over the last decade or so, has costs.

We'll never reduce the tax gap to zero but it shouldn't be £40 billion either.

£26bn of that is small traders fiddling their tax.

Clavinova · 29/08/2024 12:20

Why are Labour claiming they didn't know about the overspend on asylum costs?

28 February 2024

The Government is forking out £15 million a day on putting up asylum seekers in hotels, spending £4.3 billion more of taxpayer money than budgeted on asylum support in the last year, Labour has said.

The Opposition party pointed to Treasury figures that estimate the Home Office spent £5.4 billion on asylum accommodation and support.

The Home Office’s top civil servant said the extra money claimed in the Treasury “supplementary estimates” was “a result of record levels of small boat arrivals since the Spending Review 2021”.

Ms Cooper said:

“Despite promises of action from the Prime Minister, they have not delivered and now the Home Secretary has been forced to go to the Chancellor with a begging bowl because he’s bust his budget by over £5 billion...

Labour has set out a clear plan to save billions of pounds for the taxpayer ...”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/government-labour-yvette-

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2024 12:29

Why are Labour claiming they didn't know about the overspend on asylum costs?

Because the last government hid them.

Spectre8 · 29/08/2024 12:44

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2024 12:29

Why are Labour claiming they didn't know about the overspend on asylum costs?

Because the last government hid them.

But they did know since they pointed it out that that there was an overspend.

Nadeed · 29/08/2024 12:55

FOJN · 21/08/2024 14:51

The budget black hole was known about and discussed by various political commentators well before the election. The question many asked was how did Labour intend to bridge the gap without tax increases or budget cuts.

There are 2 million housing benefit claimants living in social housing, (a further 580,000 in the private rental sector) are Labour going to increase housing benefit payments or will they expect claimants to just find the additional money for rent?
If they are going to increase housing benefit payments then why not just invest that money in building more social housing?

How will above inflation rent rises in 2.58 million homes affect inflation overall?

1.6 million people in social housing do not get benefits.

Clavinova · 29/08/2024 12:58

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2024 12:29

Why are Labour claiming they didn't know about the overspend on asylum costs?

Because the last government hid them.

Your Guardian link says;

the ballooning costs linked to asylum and immigration have been well documented

It was even reported on GB News;
https://www.gbnews.com/news/migrant-crisis-bill-asylum-hotels

Labour also knew that funding was being diverted from the overseas aid budget towards housing asylum seekers in the UK - is Rachel Reeves discounting that funding?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13478487/Keir-Starmer-vows-foreign-aid-budget-NOT-used-pay-housing-asylum-seekers-hotels.html

Starmer vows not to use foreign aid budget to house asylum seekers

The Opposition leader said spending cash on the accommodation was 'the definition of the ill use of taxpayers' money' and promised to 'turn that around'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13478487/Keir-Starmer-vows-foreign-aid-budget-NOT-used-pay-housing-asylum-seekers-hotels.html

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2024 15:50

Spectre8 · 29/08/2024 12:44

But they did know since they pointed it out that that there was an overspend.

They hid the extent. They managed to spend the entire year’s contingency reserve in three months hiding it.

ChallahPlaiter · 29/08/2024 16:58

Sunsgoingtokeepshining · 29/08/2024 12:08

?

Women are more likely to have career gaps, work in low paid jobs, work part time, be unpaid carers. There wouldn’t be an opportunity to save for an adequate private pension.

MushMonster · 29/08/2024 17:01

I am not surprised, at all.
More issues will come up as they go through the actual accounts, I have no doubts.
Surely no one is surprised.
We need to focus on the solutions to the problems, instead of carry on hiding them underneath rugs. And we cannot spend much money on it at all, as we clearly do not have it.
To be honest, using foreign aid may be needed for this. It is a chilling idea, with all the massive amount of people displaced and in serious need at present.
But if we do not have the money, we cannot make it appear..

Clavinova · 29/08/2024 17:07

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2024 15:50

They hid the extent. They managed to spend the entire year’s contingency reserve in three months hiding it.

It's not clear who has spent the Reserve - the previous government or the current one;

When Rachel Reeves pointed to a £6.4 billion in-year spending pressure on the asylum system, she was in effect pre-recognising the top-up that the Home Office was banking on receiving later in the year. The problem is that this time around, with major spending pressures elsewhere, there does not seem to be enough left in the Reserve for such a top-up.

There's £5 or £6 billion to be saved here - the article says the Conservatives were preparing to ditch the pledge;

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/jul/26/ed-miliband-labour-honour-pledge-11bn-overseas-climate-aid

Also, I don't understand why the IFS hasn't mentioned the foreign aid budget in their analysis - surely it's a political choice on how to spend the funds;

April 2024
The Foreign Office statistics reveal £4.3bn of its foreign aid budget went on supporting refugees and asylum seekers in the UK.
That represents a 16% increase from the £3.7bn that was spent in 2022.

Much of the £4.3bn is spent by the Home Office (about £2.9bn), mostly on housing for asylum seekers. The rest covers education, health and other social needs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68781450

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2024 17:10

Given that it was all spent between April and July, it’s pretty obvious. It had been going on for years and still Hunt gave away two lots of unaffordable NI cuts. He spent like a sailor on shore leave.

Clavinova · 29/08/2024 17:25

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2024 17:19

I quoted from that article in my post.

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2024 17:25

Clavinova · 29/08/2024 17:25

I quoted from that article in my post.

Shame you didn’t read it.

Clavinova · 29/08/2024 17:28

BIossomtoes
Given that it was all spent between April and July, it’s pretty obvious

Do you have a breakdown? How much was the reserve? Where do the recent pay settlements fit in?

Clavinova · 29/08/2024 17:28

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2024 17:25

Shame you didn’t read it.

I did.

Clavinova · 29/08/2024 17:31

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2024 17:10

Given that it was all spent between April and July, it’s pretty obvious. It had been going on for years and still Hunt gave away two lots of unaffordable NI cuts. He spent like a sailor on shore leave.

Hansard
Budget Resolutions
Volume 746: debated on Wednesday 6 March 2024

Keir Starmer
Because we have campaigned to lower the tax burden on working people for the whole Parliament—and we will not stop now—we will support the cuts to national insurance.

Notonthestairs · 29/08/2024 17:34

"April 2024
The Foreign Office statistics reveal £4.3bn of its foreign aid budget went on supporting refugees and asylum seekers in the UK.
That represents a 16% increase from the £3.7bn that was spent in 2022.

Much of the £4.3bn is spent by the Home Office (about £2.9bn), mostly on housing for asylum seekers. The rest covers education, health and other social needs.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68781450"

An entirely predictable result - and it was predicted - of the Illegal Migration Act.
Don't process asylum applications. Let the applications pile up whilst we pay for housing.

Noras · 29/08/2024 17:46

Spectre8 · 26/08/2024 23:53

🤨 you realise the state pension is exactly that too. The taxes you pay today are funding the current pensioners in receipt of it ans when you retire the generation below you will be paying for yours.

So don't pick on public sector

The state pension is not exactly tens of thousands each year.

They should get rid off public sector pensions and just pay the going rate eg put new qualified teachers on £40,000 etc and then it’s a fairer comparisons pear and pears. Even investing in a pensions privately comes with the 1% charge of a financial adviser.

Nadeed · 29/08/2024 17:52

@Noras the public sector employees should get what private sector get. Company cars at a certain level, medical and dental insurance and bonuses. My friend who works in a call centre gets some medical insurance.

MauveCrow · 29/08/2024 18:13

Nadeed · 29/08/2024 17:52

@Noras the public sector employees should get what private sector get. Company cars at a certain level, medical and dental insurance and bonuses. My friend who works in a call centre gets some medical insurance.

You want NHS workers to get private health care because the service they provide in the NHS is so shit? That's actually hilarious.

Maybe instead, public sector workers should have their pay linked to productivity? Might save a few billion while encouraging them to up their game.

What Rachel Reeves does next? Surprised no thread on this yet. It's all over Twitter
Nadeed · 29/08/2024 18:16

@MauveCrow you want to take away pension benefits public sector staff get to make it fair with the private sector, but ignore the benefits private sector get that the public sector do not get?
Public sector do not usually even get a paid for xmas party.

MauveCrow · 29/08/2024 18:25

The whole thing that's even more bizarre in this whole thread is the thought that 22 billion even registers as its such small change in the grand scheme of the wider economy.

Almost anyone could shave 22 billion off government spending if they sat down for 20 minutes with a red pen.

It's all political bluster and there are much much deeper economic problems.

Unfunded pensions, inefficient public sector, net zero lunacy, money printing and inflation.

The only thing Starmer has said correctly since becoming PM, is things are going to get worse.
Much worse.

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