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AIBU to want to wear a mask again in my classroom

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EmsHugs · 19/08/2024 08:05

Would like to know AIBU to not give in to this parent demand.

I am in my second trimester but still quite small so not told many people as we still have some tests etc and i am listed as high risk. It is my first pregnancy after years of infertility, failed IVf and and I am being super cautious. Before the summer when I was in the early weeks of my pregnancy I caught covid and was very ill so since returning to school I have chosen to wear a mask, particularly as I have still to get several of the vaccinations like flu, whooping cough etc.

A parent of a child has put in a complaint and said I should remove the mask because it makes their child anxious but I have said while I am sorry their child does not like the mask, due to current health issues I will not. They have now made accusations that I am a poor teacher and not respectful of their child's issues, however as a high school teacher I have over 500 pupils in and out my classroom every week and want to every precaution I can to protect my baby. The school are aware why I am doing this and said they will explain to the parent but several of my colleagues, friends and family members are still not awaresi am pregnant so I do not particularly feel I should have to divulge this to a parent and that stating my health concerns should be sufficient. I have even sat with the child and explained that I wear the mask to protect myself and that I need to wear it for now but that may change later but I appreciate them being understanding. The pupil seemed to be okay but the parent continues to be adament and I believe it is because I have immediately not given into them and stood my ground.

The stress of this parent sending complaints everytime this child is in my class 4 times a week, is getting me very stressed so I would like to know:

AIBU to not divulge at the moment the reason I need to wear a mask
AINBU the parent needs to realise they cannot get everything they want.

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doce · 19/08/2024 13:58

AnotherAngryAcademic · 19/08/2024 13:48

@Luio ”I say this as someone who can’t help but feel slightly angry when I see someone in a mask”

Why on earth does the sight of someone wearing a mask make you angry? It has zero impact on you…

I am immunocompromised, so wear a mask when on public transport, in shops etc. I have been yelled at, spat at, and on the train home from a visit to say goodbye to a friend having end of life care in a hospice a man decided that my sitting on a train wearing a mask was a reason to physically attack me. It was terrifying. I was very lucky that two other men intervened and pulled the first man off me. His explanation? My mask “made him angry”.

Why is the sight of someone wearing a medical device, that has nothing to do with you, and has no impact on you, a source of anger?

Edited

Well said. Anyone who feels angry at the sight of a mask needs psychiatric help, and any kind of physical attack should involve a long prison sentence.

Mumoftwo1316 · 19/08/2024 14:02

JustAVeryWeirdWoman · 19/08/2024 11:37

I think a lot of people have simply misunderstood the hygiene theory about healthy exposure to environmental bacteria. There was an Olympic athlete who was hoping to strengthen himself for e-coli in the Seine during the triathlon by not washing his hands after going to the loo (!). That's the level of health misinformation we have reached. Now people here telling a pregnant woman she needs to catch viral illnesses while pregnant to help her baby. We're all just Donald Trump talking about drinking bleach now.

There are about 400 trillion viruses living in your body right now. That's not a joke figure. Regardless of how you behave you will be full of them and exposed just by virtue of living, but they are not all equal. Trying to avoid a potentially deadly or disabling virus like Covid by using respiratory protection doesn't mean you are living in a bubble. Also, if having Covid again and again works as protection against having Covid, why is everyone so ill all the time? I've never seen so much "summer illness" around like in the last few years.

Acquiring immunities to colds is not Donald trump drinking bleach!

It is mainstream science. Viruses do mutate but you can develop some resistance if you have antibodies for a similar one.

This is why, for example, people who live in remote isolated tribes die if they catch one of our colds. Because if you've had a cold before, you can catch another one but it'll be mild from your residual immunity. The more recent your last cold, typically speaking on average, the more up to date your immunity.

This isn't pseudo science. It's totally mainstream, doctors discussed it openly during and after the pandemic.

This is nothing to do with bacteria like e coli. I'm afraid you are the confused one if you think they are at all similar. E coli lives naturally in our large intestine, in huge numbers. It makes us ill if it gets into our upper digestive system. You can't be immune to it, it's already in you.

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Wavescrashingonthebeach · 19/08/2024 14:03

doce · 19/08/2024 13:55

It so happens that I have a very detailed knowledge of the impact of a compromised immune system on both the efficacy of vaccines and the impact of coming into contact with viruses such as COVID and influenza. And of the impact that such viruses have on various underlying conditions. And the efficacy of the various different types of face mask.

What medical knowledge do you have?

Is this an actual medical qualification though or are you a scientist of some kind? "Detailed knowledge" is vague- someone could say that after an afternoon perusing various news articles!
And I don't have much knowledge about anything tbh- but at least I don't sit there on my high horse preaching to everyone else that I do!

Mumoftwo1316 · 19/08/2024 14:05

Also, if having Covid again and again works as protection against having Covid, why is everyone so ill all the time? I've never seen so much "summer illness" around like in the last few years.

The total irony of someone lecturing me about pseudo science and Donald trump and then using arguments like this...

DinnaeFashYersel · 19/08/2024 14:12

Aworldofmyown · 19/08/2024 10:47

My sons teacher still wears a mask sometimes - she has an immune condition. No one bats an eyelid, I don't understand why anyone would have an issue.

Lots of people have given reasons why it's a problem. Hearing loss and ADHD being 2 examples.

Mumoftwo1316 · 19/08/2024 14:13

Just to clarify.

The reason why "you've never seen so much summer illness around like in the last few years" is precisely because of lockdown and masking.

I'm not saying they weren't necessary.

But reduced immunity to common colds is the side effect of isolation and masking.

...which is terrible for newborns.

SplendidUtterly · 19/08/2024 14:16

Wear it if you want to, it's your choice.
I'd personally like masks to be bought back and made madatory on public transport as it would significantly reduce the spread of viruses on trains/buses especially in the winter when there is a lack of ventilation on them....
But that won't be happening anytime soon so oh well🙃

ArabellaScott · 19/08/2024 14:19

AnotherAngryAcademic · 19/08/2024 13:48

@Luio ”I say this as someone who can’t help but feel slightly angry when I see someone in a mask”

Why on earth does the sight of someone wearing a mask make you angry? It has zero impact on you…

I am immunocompromised, so wear a mask when on public transport, in shops etc. I have been yelled at, spat at, and on the train home from a visit to say goodbye to a friend having end of life care in a hospice a man decided that my sitting on a train wearing a mask was a reason to physically attack me. It was terrifying. I was very lucky that two other men intervened and pulled the first man off me. His explanation? My mask “made him angry”.

Why is the sight of someone wearing a medical device, that has nothing to do with you, and has no impact on you, a source of anger?

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To answer your question, I think that as a society, we are still collectively recovering from what for many has been an intensely difficult and sometimes traumatic period - covid and lockdowns. I'm not saying it's necessarily rational, but I think everyone has their own reasons for this being an emotive topic.

Which is also why people seem to be attacking each other in a slightly out of proportion way on this thread, I expect.

I'm really sorry to hear about your experiences, that's awful. Flowers

Lemia · 19/08/2024 14:22

ChristmasPostman · 19/08/2024 12:46

YABU because you don’t “need” to wear a mask as you state. It’s a personal preference. And as you’ve already had Covid once during this pregnancy and the baby was unaffected why on earth do you now think you “need” to wear a mask? It’s your preference to wear one and it’s the pupils and parents preference to see your face and not to have their anxieties sparked by your clinging to this Covid relic. Who’s mental state do you think is the most important in this scenario? Your worries are understandable given your history but I don’t think you should be letting them control you. You should be modelling sensible evidence led practice as a teacher surely? I wouldn’t be thrilled with you teaching my child.

The teacher’s. Obviously.

BettyBardMacDonald · 19/08/2024 14:24

SplendidUtterly · 19/08/2024 14:16

Wear it if you want to, it's your choice.
I'd personally like masks to be bought back and made madatory on public transport as it would significantly reduce the spread of viruses on trains/buses especially in the winter when there is a lack of ventilation on them....
But that won't be happening anytime soon so oh well🙃

I feel the same.

Anyone who feels angry about others wearing masks needs counseling. That's as stupid is being angry because others are wearing sunglasses or ear defenders.

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 19/08/2024 14:25

ArabellaScott · 19/08/2024 14:19

To answer your question, I think that as a society, we are still collectively recovering from what for many has been an intensely difficult and sometimes traumatic period - covid and lockdowns. I'm not saying it's necessarily rational, but I think everyone has their own reasons for this being an emotive topic.

Which is also why people seem to be attacking each other in a slightly out of proportion way on this thread, I expect.

I'm really sorry to hear about your experiences, that's awful. Flowers

I've been called the "scourge of society" for suggesting it might be nice for op to take some time off work and put her feet up. So yes, think out of proportion is definitely the theme for this thread!!!

jasminocereusbritannicus · 19/08/2024 14:25

The thought of ever having to wear masks again fills me with absolute dread...

Berlinlover · 19/08/2024 14:26

I have cancer and wouldn’t wear a mask. YABU

Lemia · 19/08/2024 14:27

Berlinlover · 19/08/2024 14:26

I have cancer and wouldn’t wear a mask. YABU

I’m sorry you have cancer but I’m not sure how it’s relevant to the OPs situation?

CinnamonSwirlGirl · 19/08/2024 14:29

Once again, totally wrong @Mumoftwo1316 . People are more sick then ever because they have damaged their immune systems through Covid infections (especially repeat Covid infections).

Whilst undeniably not a lot of fun, the U.K. had much milder lockdowns than many countries. The lockdowns were much shorter, there was a large period of time in the middle when people were interacting with loads of people (‘eat out to help out’ anyone? Not to mention ‘rule of 6’ or whatever it was where you could meet up with different people on different days). The lockdowns were so much more relaxed than many other countries, young children were never required to mask in supermarkets/schools etc. In fact the U.K. (well, England) was one of the first places to get rid of the mask mandate against scientific advice and to the horror of many other countries. The consequence of removing the protections is that we have allowed the virus to spread far more than many other countries (certainly back in 2022 when we’d totally given up but other countries kept mitigations) and this has damaged the immune system of many many people, including our children.

ArabellaScott · 19/08/2024 14:31

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 19/08/2024 14:25

I've been called the "scourge of society" for suggesting it might be nice for op to take some time off work and put her feet up. So yes, think out of proportion is definitely the theme for this thread!!!

Anger's a defensive mechanism.

I hope we can work through this stage of collective grief soon, it's exhausting and can be corrosive when people are on the defensive all the time.

OP needs a bit of compassion for her health issues and her stress. Others need a bit of compassion after years of worry and uncertainty and fear.

We all need a cup of bloody tea and a biscuit.

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 19/08/2024 14:34

ArabellaScott · 19/08/2024 14:31

Anger's a defensive mechanism.

I hope we can work through this stage of collective grief soon, it's exhausting and can be corrosive when people are on the defensive all the time.

OP needs a bit of compassion for her health issues and her stress. Others need a bit of compassion after years of worry and uncertainty and fear.

We all need a cup of bloody tea and a biscuit.

Thank you. I think I'm too hormonal for all the vitriol on here now 🥲

EmsHugs · 19/08/2024 14:36

I'm going to ask for this thread to be removed now. Thank you to those who have offered advice about ventilation etc and reassurance, however I am receiving some rather horrible comments about my ability as a teacher and many people are not actually reading my initial question.
I will wear a mask to protect myself and my unborn baby until I am atleast vaccinated. It also means my partner can visit his father and support his mother. I work tirelessly to ensure the needs of my pupils are met and this was taken into account when my choice of mask use was also made. As many have said I see some of these children for 40 mins per week. I do not wish to be signed off because otherwise they will not have a subject specialist teaching them and I do care about their attainment. Any pupils with SEN have been spoken to individually and know they can contact me at any point with questions or clarifications if the mask leaves them unsure. The pupil whose parent has an issue has no such issues, I spoken to the pupil and they are okay.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but there is far too much nastiness and trolling on this thread and it needs to end.
I truly hope those of you who have ridiculed me or accused me of mental health issues have went through the pregnancy loss I have and wanted to do anything in their power to protect the wee thing inside you nor have you had to choose to miss many of the key events of your 30s because you were immuno compromised and it was too risky or you didn't want to risk harming or spreading it to family members.

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Teacherprebaby · 19/08/2024 14:36

EmsHugs · 19/08/2024 08:05

Would like to know AIBU to not give in to this parent demand.

I am in my second trimester but still quite small so not told many people as we still have some tests etc and i am listed as high risk. It is my first pregnancy after years of infertility, failed IVf and and I am being super cautious. Before the summer when I was in the early weeks of my pregnancy I caught covid and was very ill so since returning to school I have chosen to wear a mask, particularly as I have still to get several of the vaccinations like flu, whooping cough etc.

A parent of a child has put in a complaint and said I should remove the mask because it makes their child anxious but I have said while I am sorry their child does not like the mask, due to current health issues I will not. They have now made accusations that I am a poor teacher and not respectful of their child's issues, however as a high school teacher I have over 500 pupils in and out my classroom every week and want to every precaution I can to protect my baby. The school are aware why I am doing this and said they will explain to the parent but several of my colleagues, friends and family members are still not awaresi am pregnant so I do not particularly feel I should have to divulge this to a parent and that stating my health concerns should be sufficient. I have even sat with the child and explained that I wear the mask to protect myself and that I need to wear it for now but that may change later but I appreciate them being understanding. The pupil seemed to be okay but the parent continues to be adament and I believe it is because I have immediately not given into them and stood my ground.

The stress of this parent sending complaints everytime this child is in my class 4 times a week, is getting me very stressed so I would like to know:

AIBU to not divulge at the moment the reason I need to wear a mask
AINBU the parent needs to realise they cannot get everything they want.

Do not divulge, they have no right to your private information. I'm pissed off for you. I would tell the school that their complaints can go to your line manager as you have answered all of their queries.

wast542 · 19/08/2024 14:37

You should go on sick leave. You clearly have severe anxiety

Teacherprebaby · 19/08/2024 14:38

jasminocereusbritannicus · 19/08/2024 14:25

The thought of ever having to wear masks again fills me with absolute dread...

What's that got to do with the thread? 🙄

BettyBardMacDonald · 19/08/2024 14:39

jasminocereusbritannicus · 19/08/2024 14:25

The thought of ever having to wear masks again fills me with absolute dread...

Really? I still wear them in supermarkets, airports/planes and other crowded spaces.

CinnamonSwirlGirl · 19/08/2024 14:40

Very best of luck with your pregnancy and beyond OP! You sound like an amazing teacher and I wish my kids had someone like you in their school 😊

Mirandamermaid · 19/08/2024 14:40

Jjiillkkf · 19/08/2024 08:16

Is there any evidence a mask is of any use?

Masks offer some protection to others but not to the user.

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 19/08/2024 14:42

Op following your update I wish you all the best- honestly just do whatever works best for you and take no notice of anything anyone says on here!
Even though I'm technically against masks per se at the end of the day it's your choice and I'm sorry you've received so much of an attack:(
Best wishes for the rest of your pregnancy x