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To want to shout this tip for anxiety/mental health from the rooftops?

81 replies

BornToBeStyled · 16/08/2024 17:19

Cold showers. Within a lifetime of problematic anxiety, I can't believe it's taken me this long (to my mid 40s) to discover them. Actual game changer.

If you have trouble with anxiety and panic, and haven't already tried cold showers, try them. A cold shower can bring me back from crisis point to feeling quite fine in about 2 minutes, sometimes. The effects can last for hours. And when they wear off... you can have another.

AIBU to think GPs should give this as an intervention before drugs?!

OP posts:
RaspberryBeretxx · 16/08/2024 18:46

How long do you need to have the cold running over you? Would 30 seconds help? I’m such a wimp in cold water 😖!

eta thanks for the tip!

DrinkElephants · 16/08/2024 18:57

XenoBitch · 16/08/2024 17:22

It is part of the TIPP skill in DBT.

T stands for temperature.

Am glad you found something that works for you, and yes you are right... GP's should be tell people about this sort of thing... but sadly some people get offended by being "fobbed off" with self help stuff.

This. It resets the body. Can also be done by dunking head in bowl of water or using an ice pack on your face.

foodforclouds · 16/08/2024 19:02

SarahWren · 16/08/2024 18:44

There's enough evidence that antidepressants are effective for them to be prescribed to patients, not true for cold water.

Tipp is part of DBT which was developed for a specific purpose. A GP isn't going to suggest techniques like that to patients with mild to moderate general anxiety.

really depends, “are effective”. No evidence certainly for prescribing ad infinitum to pretty much anyone.

PerkyMintDeer · 16/08/2024 19:03

I have AuDHD and a long history of Depression and GAD. I was suicidal and put on medication twice...spent 1000s on therapy and also received NHS therapy.

No real impact.

In Lockdown, unmedicated and nearly suicidal again, I took one cold shower with breathing exercises after hearing Wim Hoff podcast episode and I am not exaggerating when I say the impact blew my mind. It massively positively changed my mental state.

It did more for me than any tablet and I am evangelical about it now. No one wants to hear me talk about it though!

Stopsnowing · 16/08/2024 19:06

BrickOtter · 16/08/2024 17:24

It’s brilliant and if you find the full shower hard, running the cold water over the back of your neck can also work really well. I also find breathwork very good for anxiety either 4-7-8 or physiological sighing

Please could you explain this more?

Fimbledore · 16/08/2024 19:07

Thank you for sharing this.

BrickOtter · 16/08/2024 19:07

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9953392/

This paper talks about some of the physiological changes in the brainfrom cold water immersion. Also vagus nerve stimulation by cold water around the back of the neck can reduce anxiety but there are a number of other ways to stimulate the vagus nerve and implanted vagus nerve stimulators are FDA approved for treating depression

Short-Term Head-Out Whole-Body Cold-Water Immersion Facilitates Positive Affect and Increases Interaction between Large-Scale Brain Networks

An increasing number of people are turning to cold showers or outdoor swimming to keep fit and for health benefits. After cold-water immersion, the swimmers reported elevated positive emotions and a decreased negative emotional state. The present study...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9953392

Stopsnowing · 16/08/2024 19:08

GreenPoppy · 16/08/2024 18:30

I read recently about putting iced peas on the side of your neck to quell anxiety.

I tried it (though with a block of ice thing in plastic, wrapped in a damp tea towel) and was amazed that it worked. I was verging on a panic attack before I did it. Works by affecting your vagus nerve.

Can't say I would ever fancy a whole cold shower, though I guess needs must!

I was told this on mumsnet to try help when I woke up with massive anxiety in the middle of the night. Sadly it didn’t help me.

AgileGreenSeal · 16/08/2024 19:10

I swim in the sea and find the very cold water really is therapeutic- at the moment there’s a swarm of jellyfish which has put me off so tomorrow morning I’m starting the day with a cold shower! Thanks, OP 👍

ReadWithScepticism · 16/08/2024 19:16

Great that you found it helpful, but it is important not to overstate these things. Different things help different people, and it doesn't do anyone any favours to overplay this as some kind of magic bullet. In fact it is pretty infuriating, on a par with "this one simple trick that doctors don't want you to know about". And pretty insulting too.
Don't you think that if it were really that simple, GPs would be pushing cold showers before anti-depressants?

heldinadream · 16/08/2024 19:16

Thanks @Pistachiochiochio I'll give that a go. 😨😆

BrickOtter · 16/08/2024 19:16

Stopsnowing · 16/08/2024 19:06

Please could you explain this more?

To calm anxiety you want to activate the parasympathetic nervous system so called rest and digest state rather than sympathetic which is fight or flight. The vagus nerve is very long but in part runs down the side of the neck , there are lots of techniques to help stimulate the vagus nerve cold water is one way of doing it. The breathing techniques can also be very effective 4-7-8 is breathing in for 4 seconds holding for 7 and then breathing out for 8 seconds , physiological sighing is a two step inhale followed by a more forceful exhale, there are loads of videos on YouTube explaining this I like the ‘Take a deep breath’ channel

malificent7 · 16/08/2024 19:22

The late Michsel Mosley was a great advocate and I might try this tip too.

AugustAlready · 16/08/2024 19:24

Serencwtch · 16/08/2024 17:50

I really hate cold water & is a trigger for me. What works for one person might not work for another.

Someone might find warm baths help some cold water. Some people a cup of tea but some hate tea.

Glad it works for you but don't think shouting out you've found a cure is helpful. It's more arrogant & patronizing.

Ive found things that work for me but understand they won't work for everyone.

@Serencwtch

she's only sharing that she's found something that helps her & suggesting others TRY it.

no need to be such a negative Nelly, you could have just said that you have tried but cold water triggers you, but xyz helps you. shared instead of being so negative.

after a traumstic Event, I started getting (mild, though didn't feel mild to me) panic attacks, and I find standing outside helps ME. So, if someone struggles I suggest they try it too.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 16/08/2024 19:27

There's enough evidence that antidepressants are effective for them to be prescribed to patients, not true for cold water.

One of these two things is profitable, so...

Serencwtch · 16/08/2024 19:33

AugustAlready · 16/08/2024 19:24

@Serencwtch

she's only sharing that she's found something that helps her & suggesting others TRY it.

no need to be such a negative Nelly, you could have just said that you have tried but cold water triggers you, but xyz helps you. shared instead of being so negative.

after a traumstic Event, I started getting (mild, though didn't feel mild to me) panic attacks, and I find standing outside helps ME. So, if someone struggles I suggest they try it too.

To be fair any old placebo helps chronic fatigue & mild anxiety they are part & parcel of normal life rather than a genuine illness.

I'll keep the meds for my genuine mental illness (schizo affective) thanks

sunsetsandboardwalks · 16/08/2024 19:33

Don't you think that if it were really that simple, GPs would be pushing cold showers before anti-depressants?

No.

Seaweed42 · 16/08/2024 19:42

In fairness, antidepressants have been a life saver for many, many people.
And meant they can live a more relaxed and manageable life than they would otherwise.

Awrite · 16/08/2024 19:56

A couple of times recently, we've had no hot water. I braved a cold shower as a 'needs must' thing. Felt amazing afterwards.

I already do physiological sighing for 10 minutes in the morning and the 4-7-8 technique before bed. I really do feel the benefit.

WorriedMama12 · 16/08/2024 19:56

Serencwtch · 16/08/2024 19:33

To be fair any old placebo helps chronic fatigue & mild anxiety they are part & parcel of normal life rather than a genuine illness.

I'll keep the meds for my genuine mental illness (schizo affective) thanks

I missed where the OP said that cold water showers were a cure for schizoaffective disorder....

Miley1967 · 16/08/2024 19:57

I need to try this today. So stressed and anxious.

fc123 · 16/08/2024 19:57

I discovered cold water via swimming in the sea all year around starting in an October in 2019.
Sometimes we only go in for a few minutes but a group of us got addicted to it; the meet up, the emptiness of a winter beach and the icy cold water (we don't wear wetsuits, just cozzie, gloves, boots and hats).
However, I cannot do a cold shower ever!

Beforetheend · 16/08/2024 20:03

This sounds terrifying to me. I absolutely hate being cold, and I’m not a huge fan of being wet either 😂 I wear a winter weight wet suit in summer to get in the sea. Might try cold water on my face though and see how that goes

AthenaWhite · 16/08/2024 20:12

I turn the shower to cold in the mornings and it really helps me. This episode of Huberman is really good at explaining the benefits.

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