To think having an indoor cat is cruel?

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I was looking after my mother’s cat last week - feeding him while she was on holiday and changing the litter tray - and I felt so incredibly sorry for the cat. It’s not the first time I’ve looked after him for her, and not the first time I’ve thought that.

What a shit life for the cat.

Of course I don’t like the idea of cats killing wildlife out there, but to be a prisoner indoors 100% of the time your whole life?!

It’s cruel. Right?! Just me?

Of course I was nothing but lovely to my mother and took good care of the cat. My mother doesn’t let him out because she fears he’ll get stolen or run over. She lives on a quiet and safe street, so I don’t think anyone will want to steal him. At this point, I also think he wouldn’t have a clue how to kill a bird.

It doesn’t matter what anyone reading it thought (even if they were snowflakes as you so eloquently put it)- if you post personal attacks your posts will be deleted. The guidelines are very clear and easy to understand. You have fallen foul of that a couple of times today in your rants.

I’m not here to change everyone’s minds, as I’ve stated. But I will absolutely point out the issues that this self centred attitude takes. I’ve received one, only one, grudging reply with any sympathy for my loved animals being found beheaded by my neighbour’s cat. Which was gut wrenching and heartbreaking beyond what you can imagine. To the point that trying to get anyone else to imagine what that is like is apparently “outside talk guidelines” 🙄

Well the truth is, this is what you’re doing aa outdoor cat owners, whether you want to admit it or not. And your inability to even say “yes, I can see the impacts” or “no, I didn’t realise that my pet may be one of those trespassing inside properties and killing peoples pets” or “I hadn’t realised what a truly detrimental impact outdoor cats have” or even just “I’m so sorry… that’s an awful thing to happen” shows that it isn’t me without a heart, it isn’t me causing people real world upset. This is just a thread, just text on the internet. While you may not be able to immediately switch up how your cat lives it’s life, to be so narrow minded and belligerent about it isn’t the sign of a nice person is it?

Nothing I do in the real world causes any such harm to anyone or anything, so to brush off your actions with “get over it” and “suck it up” or similar isn’t particularly reasonable. And to suggest that expressing the detrimental impact and how utterly devastating it can be is somehow worse that being a part of it and not even caring….. nah.

That was cleared up in that there was somewhat vital information missing from your response that meant the context was missing. But sure, you carry on.

Posts are deleted if they break talk guidelines- I doubt you saying you are sad your pet was killed would have done that so I think it must have also said other things.

Yep you’ve just described prison 😂.

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Not sounreasonable being so unreasonable? Surely not.

It’s only talk guidelines though, it’s not THE LAW is it? 🤣🙄 it’s fine to do things that hurt others so long as you’re not breaking the law, isn’t it? That’s what you’ve been professing, so…. which is it?

The only one I know about was where I made a comparison about what happened to me for the poster to consider. They didn’t like it apparently.

Which is why over the years my stance on pets has changed considerably, and I don’t really like the keeping of them. Not many people truly give their pets what they need, from horses right down to hamsters.

what?

I’m not quite sure what else my cat would have needed or wanted - the best food, a warm bed, toys if he wanted to play, a garden to potter in. Add to that humans who got up to feed him in the middle of the night and cancelled holidays to be with him when he was ill. Most of all he was loved.

If you break the talk guidelines you risk having posts deleted.

Your opinion is that other people having cats hurts you- the law disagrees, as do a lot of the population, so it’s ok for people to have cats. Individual moral positions on cat ownership don’t carry weight.

Yes, but that’s within the confines of an internet forum and means nothing in reality, but amounts to the same thing - we either are supposed to care about others and our impact on them, or we’re not. Your impact on people DOES carry moral weight, that’s literally what morals are.

So which is it? As you seem to be doing that hypocrisy thing again, where that rule applies me and not to you?

So which is it? As you seem to be doing that hypocrisy thing again, where that rule applies me and not to you?

Which talk guidelines have I broken? Please feel free to report any posts you feel are outwith the rules.

Jesus wept. I’m not talking about flaming talk guidelines. I’m talking about the fact that your actions have negative impacts on others - I.e. outdoor cats, but you don’t care and you justify that by it “being legal”. Yet you try to take a moral high ground because I had a comment deleted on a forum. Also no law breaking. The comparison being that both are about showing a bit of thought for others - but you think it’s only me who has to do that, and you don’t have to.

She's a beauty! I'd love a dilute tortie but I already have a tortie and white who's part Maine Coon, a DSH tortie and white, and a Maine Coon/Ragdoll cross boy! I did have a dilute tortie and white cat years ago, along with her tortie and white sister. Their mum was a stray tabby! They were my babies before I was able to have human babies. They even had their own bedroom. They were still adored even when the small humans came along.

Your beligerent and aggressive stance was never going to win you any 'fans'.

If I had a pet killed inside my home, I'd blame myself for not keeping it safe.

I don't get all the complaining about cats. I've lots of them visiting my garden, and I enjoy seeing them. Next door has three for a start. Virtually everyone who lives in my street has either a cat/cats or a dog/dogs. We look out for one another's pets.

😂😂😂😂

Of course you would. Of course you’d blame someone else’s unsupervised pet entering your own home on yourself 😂😂😂 give me break 🙄 at least come up with realistic responses.

I’m not after any fans, not sure where you get that idea from?

I don't get all the complaining about cats. I've lots of them visiting my garden, and I enjoy seeing them. Next door has three for a start. Virtually everyone who lives in my street has either a cat/cats or a dog/dogs. We look out for one another's pets

Cats come in my garden and shit everywhere. There was a local tom who would come in my house and spray everywhere too. I have a dog now, so that no longer happens.
There is also one cat who comes here a lot who is very aggressive, and has launched at me before... hissing with claws out.

Also, my mum has a retired racing greyhound, and if a cat were to go into her garden, it would be killed.
It is down to the cat owner to stop that happening.

I’m talking about the fact that your actions have negative impacts on others - I.e. outdoor cats

As I said, that is your opinion- so don’t get a cat.

I disagree with you- my cats don’t have a negative impact on others- so I’ll keep them.

Your opinion is that I’m selfish for having an outside cat, my opinion is that you are wrong, I’m not selfish at all.

The comparison being that both are about showing a bit of thought for others - but you think it’s only me who has to do that, and you don’t have to

This is a false equivalency- you are comparing an opinion (it’s not ok to have an outdoor cat), with a definite (the talk guidelines are what they are).

We both have to follow the talk guidelines or we might get posts deleted. That is the same for every user, and is completely unrelated to whether people should keep outdoor cats.

We lost our little cat about 8 weeks ago. He was hit in the daytime on a 30 mph road near to our home and died instantly (hubby could tell by his injuries).
He had only just turned one.
If we get another cat at any point it will still be allowed outdoors.

I’m sorry for your loss.

Almost. It’s not “my opinion” that outdoor cats have a negative impact, it’s a proven fact. And unless you supervise your cat 100% of the time then there’s a very high likelihood that you contribute to this. You, however, do not care.

You still fail to understand the point about the guidelines. They’re meaningless in reality. Nothing I have said here would have an eyelid batted at in a real world discussion. This isn’t the real world, it’s a forum where others get to pick and choose what you can or can’t say. Someone on here deeming that a post should be deleted is meaningless in reality. Someone’s deemed it “rude” or whatever. The comparison I was making is that both situations are about caring about your impact on other people. And you don’t appear to care, but expect me to.

I’m sorry for your poor cat, and any other cat you subject to such danger after not learning your lesson 😢