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To think this is why the high street is failing?

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MiamiWindMachine · 14/08/2024 11:03

I’m off on holiday in a couple of days, so thought I’d go up to the big shopping centre for a couple of last minute things.

In the massive H&M, all the tills bar one had been converted to self-service. The ones on the floor I was on were ALL closed. I went down to the lower floor and there was a huge queue, because no one could work out the machines. There was a step to remove security tags, and people couldn’t work out whether this was only for those plastic tags or if there was some flag on the barcodes for lower value items. Someone else was trying to process a return via these tills. When a member of staff eventually appeared, she confirmed returns could only be processed at a manned till. The customer pointed out that there were no manned tills. The staff member had no idea who to ask about it, then disappeared to find someone, so the queue was getting even longer.

I was on the way out about 15 minutes before closing time and went past M&S. I thought “I wonder if the Bureau de Change is still open” and went to check. The woman saw me approach and had a pained look on her face, saying “Arrgghh, I’ve just cashed uuuppp!” I was a bit taken aback, but said “Oh well, never mind. What time do you close, for future reference?” She then reluctantly admitted that she was supposed to be open until 8, but said “But I do start cashing up at around 7.30”. I was about to ask why when she started saying, “It’s fine; I’ll do it, I’ll do it”, like she was doing me a massive favour. I tried to pay on Revolut and she said “We can’t take those cards!”, as if it was somehow obvious. I asked about Apple Pay and she said, “No, it has to be a proper bank card or credit card”. I therefore went to pay with my credit card and she said, “You do know we have to charge a fee for these, don’t you?” I said I didn’t have a choice given she’d rejected two other payment methods.

I then went down to foods to grab a ready meal and some wine. I went to a manned till as I had alcohol and the girl said, “Oh, could you go to the self-service? It’s just that I’m closing this one”. I asked about the alcohol and she said, “I can approve that from here; it’s just that it’s easier for me”.

I feel like we’re constantly told in the media “Use it or lose it” re: the high street; how sad it would be if we lost the personal touch. From what I could see yesterday, one store has done everything possible to eliminate personal interaction, while in the other, the staff are more bothered about their convenience than the customers’. Is it any wonder that people would rather click a couple of buttons to get something delivered?

OP posts:
DuesToTheDirt · 14/08/2024 21:27

Whothefuckdoesthat · 14/08/2024 18:31

And in the days when retailers treated their staff like human beings, she’d probably have been only too happy to wait until after closing to start cashing up, in addition to coming in 15 minutes early each day to sort all the cash out ready to start serving at opening time. But in the days where staff are expected to do twice as much work for half the pay, are given zero support from their managers and are generally treated like shit, why would she choose to give them an extra 45 minutes each day, free of charge? I can’t say I blame her.

I've no idea how this used to work, nor how it works now. But the way it should work is obvious - pay the staff member for 15 min or whatever either side of opening hours, to give time to open up and close down. If the service is supposed to be available till 8pm then it should be.

Ineedanewsofa · 14/08/2024 21:32

@Ellie56 I’ll name and shame - Brighton. The Lanes car park!

PassingStranger · 14/08/2024 21:32

Nanana1 · 14/08/2024 11:16

The ship has sailed, shops aren’t going to employ lots of workers because most hours there isn’t the justification for them.

Self-service is cheaper and less hassle than an employee and shoppers want cheap.

The woman cashing up at 7:30 probably doesn’t get paid past her shift so why wait?

A lot of money is lost on self service though.

PassingStranger · 14/08/2024 21:34

BigDayAhead · 14/08/2024 16:43

On another post you said you were 25. I don’t know whether to excuse your ignorance on the basis of your young age or whether that would be patronising and an insult to all the other mature young people out there.

Some older people really struggle with technology. My parents are in their 80s and have really struggled since banks closed and shops stopped taking cash. It’s super that you manage so well. But there are valid reasons for other people struggling. That includes some of the elderly, disabled people and others with mental health problems. Or even a mum juggling young kids on a bad day.

Modern technology can make some people very anxious. Learn to have some empathy.

Totally agree. Very rude to call.people ignorant.
There should always be a choice.

namechangeforthisi · 14/08/2024 21:36

It doesn't bother me, I prefer it and thing will continue to be automated

Bodeganights · 14/08/2024 21:52

PontiacFirebird · 14/08/2024 13:58

All those saying “ oh it’s much easier to shop online and I’ve not been into town in 15 years”…. These are the same people who love working from home and don’t answer the door, aren’t they? 😁
Some of us need to speak to other humans on a day to day basis. Just normal friendly interaction, nothing fancy.
Im lucky in that I still have a butcher, been going there over a decade and it’s a pleasure to pop in and have a bit of a chat while I’m buying something.
I love WearyAuldWomans story about the offer of a hug- that’s so nice.

Nah, my commute is between 20 and 100 miles a day, depending where I'm going. Some weeks i do 80 miles and no more and other weeks I'm doing over 600.
So I get out of the house, I even shop on the other high streets I visit, but they are all so similar, nothing stand out different, no little boutiques, no sweet little cafes. it's all big chain shops and big chain coffee shops and charity shops (which if I'm in a particularly naice place I visit) and vape shops.

Whereas I have a perfectly safe place for parcels, and its super easy to return stuff these days. Even royal mail come to collect your parcels now.

Nadeed · 14/08/2024 22:12

HotCrossBunplease · 14/08/2024 20:17

Why would Marks and Spencer offer a service until 8 that requires the staff member to cash up after all transactions are complete, then not pay their member of staff to do the cashing up? What basis do you have for saying that retail staff’s paid hours end when the store closes?

They are not a good employer. That is why.

Lucytheloose · 14/08/2024 22:18

KnittedCardi · 14/08/2024 12:52

Refuse? No. I want to be served, by a human, human interaction is important. I value the human, chat about their day, make eye contact, thank them for their service. That's the point of shops, it's called customer care.

No, the point of shops is to sell stuff to people who want to buy it. They do not exist to provide social interaction, that is something that individuals need to sort out for themselves.

KnittedCardi · 14/08/2024 23:12

Lucytheloose · 14/08/2024 22:18

No, the point of shops is to sell stuff to people who want to buy it. They do not exist to provide social interaction, that is something that individuals need to sort out for themselves.

Bullshit. The social interaction is part of the sales pitch. If you have two shops, selling the same thing, one entirely self serve, and one with helpful friendly staff, I know where I would shop. I would even pay extra. In fact, I do choose shops who give good personal service, I am sure I am not alone.

HotCrossBunplease · 14/08/2024 23:38

Nadeed · 14/08/2024 22:12

They are not a good employer. That is why.

Someone who used to work for them has already been on and confirmed they pay for all the work done after the store closes.

LittleBearPad · 14/08/2024 23:48

MagicianMoth · 14/08/2024 11:25

My friend is always telling me this but I just can't see it. I want to buy a dress, say. I walk into town (ten minutes) and try on some dresses. The one I liked from the pic turns out to be hideous on me and/or made of awful cheap material. Another one doesn't fit in my size but does fit in the size up. While there I also see a top I like, try it on, ooh it is nice, buy that and the size up dress.

As opposed to - order the two dresses I liked online and have to send them both back because one isn't my size and the other is awful. Or order in a number of sizes and have to send the others back. Which involves walking into town to the post office.

Apart from the fact that it’s far more likely the first one you liked online isn’t in stock, or it certainly isn’t on a rail and there are no staff to check the stock room.

And should you find a member of staff they tell you to order it online!

Iasonnas · 14/08/2024 23:51

"Some people may only have a Revolut account."

What's that got to do with the price of euros?

DdraigGoch · 15/08/2024 00:01

Oldermum84 · 14/08/2024 11:46

I've worked for 2 different large retailers in my past (many years ago) where we were only paid until the shop closed, say 5:30pm but had to wait until the last customer had left, which was often around 5:40pm, then we had to cash up a till before it was signed off and we could leave. This was often 6pm. So we would be working an extra 30mins unpaid. The paid hours were minimum wage and as I was under 21 this was a lot let than adult minimum wage. This is common practice. These shop workers are trying to leave on time. Retailers should pay their workers appropriately.

Worth reporting to HMRC. That practice is not legal if it results in wages dipping below minimum.

DdraigGoch · 15/08/2024 00:03

Nanny0gg · 14/08/2024 11:54

I use both quite happily

But you can't sort out your own refunds/holiday money and if tills are supposed to be open till a certain time then they should be open!

And whilst cash is still legal tender you should be able to use it in cafes/shops/pubs/entertainment venues etc etc

Any shop/cafe/bus can refuse to take cash. "Legal tender" only matters when someone is offering payment for a debt.

Elphame · 15/08/2024 00:21

agree that shopping is alive and well in the big shiny new malls, also places like Clark’s Village in Street (Somerset) are pleasant to go to.

Last time I went there, ( a few months ago) I was amazed at how many units were vacant. It never used to be like that.

Nadeed · 15/08/2024 00:30

Iasonnas · 14/08/2024 23:51

"Some people may only have a Revolut account."

What's that got to do with the price of euros?

I think they were talking about buying currency. But it is the law that currency can only bought using certain methods, it is part of money laundering regulations. Revolut does not meet money laundering regulations.

LadyGaGasPokerFace · 15/08/2024 00:36

I buy so much online and have it delivered or pick up. I can’t stand self service machines. I had a full trolley in Sainsbury’s and the assistant told me to self check out. It was a basket self check out, why should I? Waste of my time, I left the trolley there.
I also hate it when you walk in to the shop and they have 20 of that item in one specific size and no other sizes. ‘I’m looking at you Matalan’.
Also, why do people who queue ages only just decide to get their card/money out after they’re told the total and they then take ages fumbling in their bag/wallet for it 🙄

Jumpingthruhoops · 15/08/2024 03:13

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 14/08/2024 11:10

I think if you refuse to use self checkout/the hand held things in the supermarket, you're just ignorant.

It's 2024. This all has shades of people complaining when the currency system in the UK changed, or when bank cards were introduced. You can do it, you just refuse to learn how to.

Not really. I know how to do it. But if they want me to do it, they can pay me.

Sladuf · 15/08/2024 04:40

LakieLady · 14/08/2024 11:31

I am perfectly capable of using self checkout. I just don't see the point. The other day I had 5 items and had to call the assistant over 4 times. The machine won't accept an empty shopping bag without staff approval, I had alcohol and paracetamol, the birthday card wouldn't register in the bagging area.

I feel your pain, @Seeline. Self service checkouts hate me, they seem to delight in doing all the above and then more, like just refusing to scan an item or two and constantly accusing me of putting an "unexpected item in the bagging area".

My malign influence even extends to neighbouring checkouts. In one supermarket, the man at the one next to me kept being told to place his produce on the scales every time he scanned the pack of 3 pairs of pants he was trying to buy...

I think we may have been separated at birth! I’m convinced I was jinxing this poor bloke using the self serve tills next to me at a Tesco Extra I occasionally shop in the other night. I was half way through scanning when this guy started scanning a handful of items. From what I could see he did nothing wrong but every time he put what he’d just scanned into the dreaded bagging area, he was met with, “please wait!” It was around 10:30pm and you could tell the poor guy just wanted to get out and get home.

I’ve had the exact same problems @Seeline described at one of the other branches of Tesco I regularly visit. Choose the option to add own bags before scanning, place bags in bagging area when the message on the screen says to do so and get, “please wait while we verify your bags.” I never have this issue when I use the self-serve tills other branches or other supermarkets.

the80sweregreat · 15/08/2024 04:52

I often place my bag ' for life' away from the scanning machine at its feet as it's just easier than having it moaning at me about an unexpected item.
if it's only a few items that tends to work.
I don't mind the self scanning machines as I can pack as I go round in the bigger shops , but I appreciate it is taking jobs away from people :(

BobnLen · 15/08/2024 07:27

I use a jute Seasalt bag for my shopping, the machines don't like them which is a pain, a flimsy carrier bag is not suitable when walking as I generally am and popping in for a few bits.

MiamiWindMachine · 15/08/2024 07:57

Iasonnas · 14/08/2024 20:44

"I like to have some cash at least. You never know if everywhere will take cards."

🤣 you withdraw it from the machine in the foreign country not buy it here using a Revolut which she can't accept anyway.

Why would you go to the effort of getting a Revolut card for travel and then literally do yourself out of a decent exchange rate? Fucking bonkers

Why are you obsessing about this? It really isn’t relevant to the thread.

Also, you’re wrong. It’s more expensive to use cash machines abroad than it is to get cash here.

OP posts:
Trail374 · 15/08/2024 08:02

LadyGaGasPokerFace · 15/08/2024 00:36

I buy so much online and have it delivered or pick up. I can’t stand self service machines. I had a full trolley in Sainsbury’s and the assistant told me to self check out. It was a basket self check out, why should I? Waste of my time, I left the trolley there.
I also hate it when you walk in to the shop and they have 20 of that item in one specific size and no other sizes. ‘I’m looking at you Matalan’.
Also, why do people who queue ages only just decide to get their card/money out after they’re told the total and they then take ages fumbling in their bag/wallet for it 🙄

Sainsbury’s-I hear you!!!!!

Then you have to try and balance all the items on a tiny bagging area to stop the machine going nuts which it does every time over something like a bag of herbs being too light let alone items being removed from the bagging area.Then you have to wait ages for help.

No, no, no!

So you always go through the tills but now they only have 4 cashiers open on a Friday evening peak shopping time.

Who is going to voluntarily sign up for this? Not me.

Greenlittecat · 15/08/2024 08:08

I think you've misunderstood what Revolut is.

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