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Co parenting but very little financial support

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ARaspberryberet · 11/08/2024 13:49

Long story short my partner of 20+ years left a while ago and got immediately straight into another relationship. The other woman fell pregnant Immediately.
It's been a hard one for me but I've been Co parenting quite well for the children and disregarding my feelings about it as much as I can so it doesn't affect them
But recently I'm getting very angry about things. I usually keep my mouth shut to avoid an argument (plus he always manages to convince me I'm the irrational one) so some advice from others would really help me how to navigate this or tell me if I'm being unreasonable.

I mainly just provide for the kids myself. Ex is on benefits but also working cash in hand. His agreement was he'd pay x amount of cash per week for the kids. £30 each a week for both kids. It started out well, but then he started tofall behind in payments. He'd make up for it by paying in dribs and drabs when he could "spare" money.
But these last few months I feel like the piss is being taken out of me. I havent received a single penny from the start of June. He has the kids one evening for a few hrs every week and then over night every other weekend. When he has the children it's days out, toys bought for them etc eating out. Himself and his new partner are living a lavish lifestyle, go out all the time, he's wearing all these fancy branded clothing etc and so is his new child. Meanwhile I'm a single mum on benefits as I became very unwell shortly after he walked out. I don't mind that I don't have money to look after my own needs, whatever small amount of money I get pays the bills, runs the home, pays for food and whatever clothing my small children need along with the other expenses of kids as we all know. I barely get by. I cover everything the children need on my own on the very little I have. Until now I've said nothing as my ex has a very good way of spinning things back round and I feel to blame or like I'm being a c u.n.t
But these last few months I've been really angered by the lack of financial support to his two other kids. On social media and to everyone he's this great hands on dad and I just keep my mouth shut to avoid any trouble.
To date he owes me £540 in backdated payments alone. I recently purchased the school uniforms and all that's needed for returning to school which set me back roughly £300 never mind what it's cost in meantime as they needed new underwear, socks, shoes, clothing that they've outgrew. I couldn't afford any summer clubs or days out with the kids as I never have 2 pennies to rub together. I feel like absolute crap that I've never any money spare to do anything with them or treat them. I feel like I'm just existing. So ex has asked if he can take the kids for a week so he can take them on days out etc before school holidays are over and I'm furious and I'm unsure if I'm being unreasonable.
I feel bitter about everything but I'm not a bitter ex that pulls the kids into it all but in this instance I do feel like being that bitter woman yet I know it's not the answer. But I feel like saying no to him. I feel like saying you aren't providing financially at all towards your two other small children and I'm drowning in being a single parent footing everything alone, emotionally and financially, along with coping with the fact he walked out of our family and straight into creating a family with someone else immediately. I feel like saying you owe x amount of money here, which I really need to get us by. He has all sorts of excuses for never having money yet he works and gets benefits, she works and gets benefits as she is claiming she's a single mum. There's double the amount of money, if not more, than what me and 2 kids are surviving on. I foot everything for the kids myself, even out of school activities etc they want to go too. His other child just celebrated its birthday not very long ago and I had the unfortunate chance of someone telling me about the lavish party, cake, presents and party bags that was splashed out on from my ex, Fancy nights out and weekends away with the new partner. I just feel like he's providing so much for his other child and his new life like his other 2 children don't exist.

I haven't been able to afford any trips for the kids all summer, all I've managed are hours at the park or picnics etc... The bare minimum essentially. But he can swan in all of a sudden and look to take the kids and do all these amazing things and trips with them to make their summer and so they'll look at him as this really hands on father along with everyone else because it will be plastered over social media. I just feel like saying NO and I understand how unreasonable that sounds but I feel so angry at how he can do this. How he has many excuses as how he can't provide to our children and has left every responsibility on my shoulders yet he can afford to treat them and make them feel special in ways I can't because he has failed me and let me down just because he has a new partner and child and this new life to pay for. I'm really angry.

And the kids just think the sun shines out of their dad's ass and it breaks my soul. I obviously don't want the kids to not love their dad but it is soul destroying that they're so young that they don't understand mum does it all and there's reasons why I can't afford to buy them the flashy things dad can or the days out that dad can. That every single penny I have goes on survival and what they need. I cant even believe he has the audacity to say he wants the kids on a random week that suits him and her so they can spoil the kids when he knows I fork out for everything on my own and he sees I'm struggling financially. He genuinely thinks it's ok because he'll pay me the odd few quid here and then, in his head he genuinely thinks this is him contributing. I feel like he needs a lesson to see this is really wrong yet I know how pathetic that must make me sound. I'm just sick with how he's getting away with this and how he looks (and thinks of himself) as this providing involved father!

The unreasonable petty part of me thinks he doesn't deserve to get to do this esp when he's been living this high life and not helping towards the basic needs of his other kids, he knows I'll provide the basic needs of the children because as a mum you do! He gets all the fun of parenthood and left me with the hard shitty parts and I'm struggling and I'm angry now and I'm angry because the kids have begged me to take them to all the places he's going to take them and I couldn't because I couldn't afford to because of his lack of help, him claiming he can't afford to pay week after week but his new life suggests a different narrative. His children aren't a priority, the financial burden is left on me which is how he can afford his new life

I want to say no (but then I know I'm taking a fun week away from my kids and I'd feel like shit about it) but I'm also going to feel shit when they come home talking about dad made the summer for them and how their dad will also feel so proud of himself that he done such a good thing for the kids YET he doesn't provide gmfor them in any other sense. I'm just sick of it and I'm so angry it's making my blood boil. He doesn't deserve to get to do this, in fact I'm actually shocked that he is this man. I never thought he'd leave me completely to fend for myself and our two miracle kids and then go on that he's such a help to me because of how much he wants to see his kids.

What would you do in this situation?

OP posts:
Mrsttcno1 · 11/08/2024 14:02

Let the kids go and have a nice time, they deserve it. Put a CMS claim in formally to get on top of things.

theduchessofspork · 11/08/2024 14:05

Mrsttcno1 · 11/08/2024 14:02

Let the kids go and have a nice time, they deserve it. Put a CMS claim in formally to get on top of things.

This honestly - they might not understand now that he’s a Disney Dad, but they will when they are older.

You must formalise the money arrangement.

Sorry you are in this situation. It’s a tough one.

notbelieved · 11/08/2024 14:07

Let the children go. I totally understand where you are coming from but let them go. I am 15 years down the line - my ex is self employed, high earner and we haven’t had a penny in all that time. He has seen the children every week. It was desperately hard to watch when I was eeking out my benefits and he was on fancy foreign holidays. But as our children have got older, they have seen him 100% for who he is and have very little to do with him - but that’s as a result of their experiences with him, not because I tried to influence them. I moved on, re-trained, own my own home in a nice area but it took time.

Try not to be hard on yourself. Be the best mum you can be with the resources you have. Block the ex on social media, live your life without giving his life a second glance. If he’s working cash in hand and she’s claiming as a single parent, you can report that. But I would do it anonymously and I would consider the impact on your children and your own peace of mind.

ARaspberryberet · 11/08/2024 14:09

Mrsttcno1 · 11/08/2024 14:02

Let the kids go and have a nice time, they deserve it. Put a CMS claim in formally to get on top of things.

@Mrsttcno1 but I can't do that. To CMS he's on benefits and only has to pay me £6 or something ridiculous per week. They've no clue he's working

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ARaspberryberet · 11/08/2024 14:18

@notbelieved thankyou.
I know it's in the kids best interest to go. I am fully aware of that, I'm genuinely not the type of person to feel as petty as I feel right now. And I know myself the chance if me saying yes is obviously 99.9% because I'm doing it for them and their childhood and so I don't affect them. But im really hurt and really angry about it all.
It really shouldn't be allowed to happen. I don't understand how it's legally fair that one parent can be left with so much financial burden and still be a parent and the other one gets off Scott free and is STILL allowed to be involved with the children when they can absolutely support their kids financially but chose not to, but they still want all their parental rights in tact but they can't help in anyway to provide basic things for them and leave it all to the other parent to deal with.
I'd be sympathic to any parent who genuinely has no money or means to help out with rearing the children they created, I'm bloody doing it myself. But he can!!! He just doesn't because too much comes before all that and it's cruel

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Gonk123 · 11/08/2024 14:19

You won’t get your arrears back. You won’t get him to pay regularly and fairly. He doesn’t respect you and he doesn’t care about the kids financially because you are there to pick up the pieces.
go to CMS and get it formalised - and hurry up about it. They can’t take on your arrears but they can take on any arrears that build as soon as you go to them.
can you get help for the school uniforms for next year as you have already bought them. There is government help you can get, make sure you get them free school dinner as well. Check to see what other help you can get, pip if you are poorly…go easy on yourself and be proud that you are doing your best and putting your kids first.
potentially mention to your ex that you are going to CMS to formalise the arrangement so that it is fair for both of you.

Pleasebeafleabite · 11/08/2024 14:19

I was getting angrier and angrier for you when I was reading your post.

I know the MN trope is kids are not pay-per-view but in this circumstance, I would make sure they were. He turns up no sorry you’ve not paid fuck off until you pay. The money is there, it’s just not being spent on your children.

I know people say well the children will suffer, but I bet they only suffer for a very short time until he gets paying again. I have experience of this and it worked for me.

Cornflakes44 · 11/08/2024 14:25

Mrsttcno1 · 11/08/2024 14:02

Let the kids go and have a nice time, they deserve it. Put a CMS claim in formally to get on top of things.

If he's doing cash in hand jobs she won't get much through CMS.

ARaspberryberet · 11/08/2024 14:30

Pleasebeafleabite · 11/08/2024 14:19

I was getting angrier and angrier for you when I was reading your post.

I know the MN trope is kids are not pay-per-view but in this circumstance, I would make sure they were. He turns up no sorry you’ve not paid fuck off until you pay. The money is there, it’s just not being spent on your children.

I know people say well the children will suffer, but I bet they only suffer for a very short time until he gets paying again. I have experience of this and it worked for me.

@Pleasebeafleabite
I'm very much a supporter myself of every child deserves time with both parents. They love their father, he loves them too. I've heard of mums not allowing kids to see the dads and I really disagree with it. I'm honestly not that type of person. But I just really feel like he needs a kick up the arse. I feel walked over. Feel like he's absolutely taking the piss because I'm such a soft person. It's not like he has me running after him demanding payments or that I'm being irrational. I'm not pointing out to him you have this fancy lifestyle you can keep up with it and you're not providing a thing here for months now. He's willing said himself I know I owe you, I'm sorry along with his excuses and I explain to him I'm struggling, I could use that small bit of help. So he does know, but I'm not doing it in a malicious way because I don't want to rock the boat of our Co parenting. But I don't feel like it's co parenting, I'm feel like I'm doing I completely alone and blindfolded. I'm not looking to stop contact with the children by any means but I feel like saying no to the week away because he owes so much towards them for basic stuff I've covered while he ensures his other life is paid for first and foremost. I'm not saying I will do that, but inside I feel like doing it because he's taking the piss and getting away with it and there's nothing I can do

OP posts:
Comedycook · 11/08/2024 14:30

You're being very generous to him by saying you're "co parenting".

SauviGone · 11/08/2024 14:32

£6 a week through CMS is better than the absolutely nothing you’re getting now, isn’t it?

Mrsttcno1 · 11/08/2024 14:34

ARaspberryberet · 11/08/2024 14:09

@Mrsttcno1 but I can't do that. To CMS he's on benefits and only has to pay me £6 or something ridiculous per week. They've no clue he's working

All you can do is report that to CMS and report him to HMRC- they can look into that and it’s easily done.

I know it’s rubbish but if he wants to give your kids some fun, let them have that chance.

ARaspberryberet · 11/08/2024 14:35

Comedycook · 11/08/2024 14:30

You're being very generous to him by saying you're "co parenting".

I know, I say co parenting, but it's me doing the entire load alone. Co parenting in my life Is simply him and the kids having time together. That's it! There's no co parenting In any other sense. I don't want to be a nag either saying you owe this, you owe that. l don't want to demean myself by begging him to help out. He knows essentially he's NOT this providing father, I think he does feel shit about it, but to him as long as he is "involved" with the kids he's a good dad.

OP posts:
ARaspberryberet · 11/08/2024 14:39

Mrsttcno1 · 11/08/2024 14:34

All you can do is report that to CMS and report him to HMRC- they can look into that and it’s easily done.

I know it’s rubbish but if he wants to give your kids some fun, let them have that chance.

@Mrsttcno1 on a moral note I don't think I'd be the type of person to "report" him and he'll know it was me and that just causes toxic crap and essentially it'll affect the children if we are at logger heads which im really wanting to avoid. I know im essentially damned if i do damned if i dont

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Pleasebeafleabite · 11/08/2024 14:49

SauviGone · 11/08/2024 14:32

£6 a week through CMS is better than the absolutely nothing you’re getting now, isn’t it?

Fuck me, the bar really is low

Pleasebeafleabite · 11/08/2024 14:52

ARaspberryberet · 11/08/2024 14:30

@Pleasebeafleabite
I'm very much a supporter myself of every child deserves time with both parents. They love their father, he loves them too. I've heard of mums not allowing kids to see the dads and I really disagree with it. I'm honestly not that type of person. But I just really feel like he needs a kick up the arse. I feel walked over. Feel like he's absolutely taking the piss because I'm such a soft person. It's not like he has me running after him demanding payments or that I'm being irrational. I'm not pointing out to him you have this fancy lifestyle you can keep up with it and you're not providing a thing here for months now. He's willing said himself I know I owe you, I'm sorry along with his excuses and I explain to him I'm struggling, I could use that small bit of help. So he does know, but I'm not doing it in a malicious way because I don't want to rock the boat of our Co parenting. But I don't feel like it's co parenting, I'm feel like I'm doing I completely alone and blindfolded. I'm not looking to stop contact with the children by any means but I feel like saying no to the week away because he owes so much towards them for basic stuff I've covered while he ensures his other life is paid for first and foremost. I'm not saying I will do that, but inside I feel like doing it because he's taking the piss and getting away with it and there's nothing I can do

Then do it as a short sharp shock. Say it’s the school holidays and I can’t afford to spend any money on them. I’ll be buggered if you will be splashing the cash when that money should be spent on their care needs and school uniform.

Do it and mean it. If you need support set up a thread in relationships or lone parents to see it through

millymoo1202 · 11/08/2024 14:54

Let them go and report to HMRC and go through CMS. He’s not co parenting hrs another deadbeat dad

SauviGone · 11/08/2024 14:54

Pleasebeafleabite · 11/08/2024 14:49

Fuck me, the bar really is low

It is really fucking low, but it’s still higher than the OP’s bar, because at the moment she seems ok with accepting nothing, doing fuck all about it, and hoping he’ll magically start coughing up some cash any time now…

Pleasebeafleabite · 11/08/2024 15:08

SauviGone · 11/08/2024 14:54

It is really fucking low, but it’s still higher than the OP’s bar, because at the moment she seems ok with accepting nothing, doing fuck all about it, and hoping he’ll magically start coughing up some cash any time now…

Edited

Personally, I’d rather do it all myself than take six quid a week, and when the kids are older, they will be told exactly how much their DF contributed. Like I said upthread though my view isn’t everyone’s.

Ponoka7 · 11/08/2024 15:15

Aside from him. Are there no free holiday clubs, library stuff etc at all in your area? Priority is often given to children on free school meals. Let them go to his. Have you told him straight that you need a contribution towards the uniform rather than him playing Disney dad?

GRex · 11/08/2024 15:22

"Great to hear you have the money for days out, the amount you owe me is £520, so please drop it off tonight. Thanks"

ARaspberryberet · 11/08/2024 15:32

SauviGone · 11/08/2024 14:54

It is really fucking low, but it’s still higher than the OP’s bar, because at the moment she seems ok with accepting nothing, doing fuck all about it, and hoping he’ll magically start coughing up some cash any time now…

Edited

@SauviGone I get the point you're trying to make. I'm not hoping he'll magically start coughing up cash. But he does deserve a kick up the backside on the moral compass. He gets rewarded for doing fuck all. I'm just saying it angers me, I don't for one second think he's gonna pay me what he owes and if he does it will be in dribs and drabs as I said. I'm not begging him to do the things essentially he KNOWS he needs to be doing, NO WAY. And I'll go without the £6 a week. What will £6 a week even cover???? The point of my post is just how wrong I find the system and parents that do this!

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CarlieF · 11/08/2024 15:34

I think I'd say to him no problem at all you can take them that's fine. But only once you've paid what you owe me because you're leaving me not being able to do any of these things with the kids and you know how unfair that is.

Mrsttcno1 · 11/08/2024 15:35

It is just rubbish OP I agree. If you’re not keen to go through HMRC & CMS to get what you are owed then that’s your choice go make, but he is showing you the type of parent he is now. If you don’t challenge it, he’s always going to skimp on paying you and you will always resent him for it.

Let him take the kids for a nice week, they’ll have a good time I’m sure and will be all the happier for it. Him spending time with the kids is a separate issue to the CMS.

Ilovechees3 · 11/08/2024 15:39

The system is not wrong, he is wrong by claiming benefits and working, you are wrong as you are doing nothing about it, you are enabling him.
Report him to HMRC and claim CMS.
Don’t complain when you are not prepared to change the situation

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