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Impressed with the speed of action against rioters etc

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Moreofthesamenothanks · 09/08/2024 18:39

Wow watching the BBC news and the number of people jailed, etc following being found guilty of either criminal damage assaults, incitement are growing.

The Prime minister said that there would be swift action. He's right. One after the other straight in court and lots given prison sentences.

At least he does what he says on crime!

Also 2 of the 'anti or counter protesters ' jailed for assaults on protesters, brilliant, all people should be charged.

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Notonthestairs · 09/08/2024 23:55

I dunno, it's almost like we've underfunded RASSO specialists for the best part of a decade!

And that's a massive difference between sentencing people who plead guilty at the first hearing and those that go to a trial.

DdraigGoch · 09/08/2024 23:56

Notonthestairs · 09/08/2024 22:44

Started last October under Sunak.

www.gov.uk/government/news/prison-reforms-will-cut-reoffending-and-put-worst-offenders-behind-bars-for-longer

Result of years of extending sentencing and failure to build prisons. Something that was warned about time after time. You can't do both without providing more prison places - or making it more dangerous for staff and prisoners.

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It started a long time before Sunak. Early release to deal with capacity issues has been going on for decades.

Notonthestairs · 10/08/2024 00:01

There has certainly been capacity issues for a long time. The difference is that the Conservatives lengthened sentences (tough on crime) but couldn't/didn't adjust capacity to accommodate that. They were warned many years ago that you could do the first but needed to build more prisons to allow flex.

New prisons are being built now but it hasnt kept pace.

snowlady4 · 10/08/2024 00:12

LlynTegid · 09/08/2024 20:07

I agree, and wish justice for many other offences could be as quick. Shop thieves, drink drivers, those who travel on trains without paying, for example.

Absolutely. My friend has been waiting TWO YEARS to go to court over a serious assault against her. It's great they're doing it so quick and somehow have found vacant prison cells.. but I can't help but find it a bit insulting to all the victims of crimes left waiting in limbo. Proves they can do things quickly when they want to. A bit like during covid when they found a bed for every homeless person, but can't do a thing for them now.

LSTMS30555 · 10/08/2024 00:15

Spectre8 · 09/08/2024 22:36

Yes and labour are also releasing lots of.prisoners early to free up space so most donf serve their full se hence now. Same will happen with the rioters wheb they need space they will be released early.

Yep and there's a case too close to home were a violent thug (Lawson netty) stabbed a 14 year old and he died. Yet under sunak at least it wasn't violent criminals being released which we were promised under the scheme now starmer is allowing these scumbags to go free!

Biggaybear · 10/08/2024 01:14

altmember · 09/08/2024 23:20

It was only a couple of weeks ago the government said it was essential to let a load of prisoners out early because jails were over full. Now they're managing to find space to lock up anyone who shouted some rude words. Almost like they knew civil unrest was just around the corner.

And meanwhile those hooligans who the whole country has seen the CCTV of committing ABH against a female police officer haven't even been arrested, nevermind charged, taken to court, found guilty nor sentenced. It might not be two Kier policing, but it bloody stinks.

Exactly.

The police have body worn camera evidence as well as CCTV. A policewoman went to hospital with a broken nose.

Not even been charged.

Araminta1003 · 10/08/2024 08:36

Clamping down on the rioters is good. Separately though we need a massive clamp down on the knife crime culture in this country, the stats are shocking!

LlynTegid · 10/08/2024 08:39

Moreofthesamenothanks · 09/08/2024 20:41

I checked average sentences for sex offenders and its

'The average custodial sentence for sexual offences in the UK is between 5 and 10 years, some would argue whether this is long enough for those found guilty of such horrendous crime'.9 Jan 2023

I'd lock up longer personally.

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I'd also never let sex offenders leave the country once their sentence is over. Stop people like Paul Gadd (aka Gary Glitter) going to Thailand or Vietnam to continue abuse.

psychoactivevegitable · 10/08/2024 08:57

Araminta1003 · 09/08/2024 18:53

The more complicated element is inciting hatred online and the interaction with free speech. I think the laws should be strict and social media should have to carry pop up warnings like the back of fags. Along the lines of blurbs and examples of hate speech and handcuffs. This also needs clamping down if we want to have a functioning democracy long term. Starmer’s a lawyer - I would like him to clamp down there.

What does inciting hatred mean? That literally could mean anything. "Men cannot become women". "I don't agree with the hijab". "I think there are too many immigrants in the uk". Any of those things and countless other reasonable opinions can be weaponised if he takes this route. It's insane how many useful idiots call for their own freedoms to be impinged upon.

Rummly · 10/08/2024 09:10

I don’t think this government’s done anything more than any other government would have done. As PPs have said, there was the same in 2011.

But I also don’t think the government’s done anything less than any other government would have done. Criticism of this government because of riots by these loathsome racists is completely wrong.

Nice bit of Labour Head Office PR though, OP.

ThinWomansBrain · 10/08/2024 09:12

meanwhile rape and domestic violence cases can languish for months on end without coming to trial.
Deterrent effect less of an issue?

HeyTalkToMeGoose · 10/08/2024 09:13

quockerwodger · 09/08/2024 21:12

I think finding the rioters is important.
But they should be arrested and entered I to the justice system the same as everyone else.
Fast tracking them proves, to me at least, that they can fast track when it scores political points.

Murderers, rapers, abusers, beaters of women? Meh, no points there.so let them take forever.

Those offenders would be in prison on remand anyway so don't see your point?

HeyTalkToMeGoose · 10/08/2024 09:21

ThinWomansBrain · 10/08/2024 09:12

meanwhile rape and domestic violence cases can languish for months on end without coming to trial.
Deterrent effect less of an issue?

Your perpetrator in those cases will be on remand .... not out on the streets. A trial is different and is at CROWN court

These rioters have been jailed at MAGISTRATES court

Different places, nobody has taken anything away from anyone

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 10/08/2024 09:31

Saggytoot · 09/08/2024 20:27

20 months custodial for setting fire to a bin while nonces get suspended sentences. Good going.

But it was a very important bin, and sends a very important statement about bin burning in the wrong context.

Whereas child abusers, well, you have take their background and their status into consideration , it’s hard to assemble the evidence and anyway, what good what putting them in prison do? A community sentence is much more appropriate ( if we ever get round to investigating your complaint, we are frightfully busy at the moment with this epidemic of smouldering bins ) .

Anyway, if we delay thinking about prosecuting Jimmy long enough, nature will take its course and we won’t have to bother.

🥷

TooBigForMyBoots · 10/08/2024 13:38

Do people really need to be taught that stuff like this is illegal? If so, it's best they learn now.

metro.co.uk/2024/08/07/tory-councillors-wife-arrested-saying-set-fire-migrant-hotels-21375410/

ExpressCheckout · 10/08/2024 13:40

They've reacted quickly and are dealing with the rioters, good.

Now deal with those online who hold positions of power and influence.

ThinWomansBrain · 10/08/2024 22:43

HeyTalkToMeGoose · 10/08/2024 09:21

Your perpetrator in those cases will be on remand .... not out on the streets. A trial is different and is at CROWN court

These rioters have been jailed at MAGISTRATES court

Different places, nobody has taken anything away from anyone

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sorry, you're wrong
magistrates can only sentence to relatively short custodial sentences - so they hear a case and refer it to the crown court for sentencing.

HelloMiss · 10/08/2024 23:33

Magistrates sentenced a lot of these rioters to fairly short sentences.

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