Impressed with the speed of action against rioters etc

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Wow watching the BBC news and the number of people jailed, etc following being found guilty of either criminal damage assaults, incitement are growing.

The Prime minister said that there would be swift action. He's right. One after the other straight in court and lots given prison sentences.

At least he does what he says on crime!

Also 2 of the 'anti or counter protesters ' jailed for assaults on protesters, brilliant, all people should be charged.

Where did I say that? Before the riots we had no prison space...now ohh just found 500 down back of sofa?

This.

It disturbs me a bit to think that they are being made an example of. Dont get me wrong, I'm all for locking people up instead of community service etc but I doubt 6 months ago if you were in a scrap outside a pub or looted a tv you'd get 2 years in prison.

How many women on here manage to get their abusive ex locked up 5 days after they were charged ?

And if justice can be this swift then I'm looking forward to the court system being cleared of all the outstanding cases by xmas & crime being swiftly dealt with from now on.

Keep it up Keir......

Participating in violent disorder, a riot, is a bit different from your average drunken disorder.

As for locking up a drunken ex - are they usually caught on police body cams or by videoing themselves and then plead guilty?

"We live in a country in which the government, police and justice system leap into action with incredible speed, enthusiasm and effectiveness when they fear a mass revolt - but for the rest of the time are slow, sclerotic and pretty useless. Just remember that." Paul Embery

I think finding the rioters is important.
But they should be arrested and entered I to the justice system the same as everyone else.
Fast tracking them proves, to me at least, that they can fast track when it scores political points.

Murderers, rapers, abusers, beaters of women? Meh, no points there.so let them take forever.

Let's hope they can keep up the pace. And that the convicted do their full time.

If the evidence was clear cut it would be simpler. But there usually isn't so it doesn't.

"Murderers, rapers, abusers, beaters of women? Meh, no points there.so let them take forever."

How many of these are caught in the act on police body cams and plead guilty allowing for swift sentencing?

Im sure you have the statistics.

So crime can only be swiftly handled of there's camera footage... I see.

So the Leeds rioters. They're all dealt with by now?

Where are the stats on them?

What you suggested is that there are deliberate delays of sexual offences. What I pointed out is that rape and sexual assault rarely caught on camera or that defendants plead guilty which allows for swift sentencing. At no point did I suggest all rioters had been dealt with. I am sure there are a lot more to come.

Set fire to and aimed at other people. The intention wasn't merely to burn the contents of the bin but to harm people with it.

I made no such suggestion that such crimes are deliberately delayed.

They should be handled quicker than they are and not dragged on and on.
Right now on MN there's women with these cases hanging over their heads for years. Investigations done, evidence collected, hearings schedule and moved and moved and moved.

The courts have capacity to move quicker, they've proven as such, so they should use that capacity and get the cases heard so people can get their lives back.

You will never find me suggesting that RASSO cases shouldnt be a priority.
But generally those cases go to trial. So you need court time (after a large proportion of the court estate has been closed in the last 10 years) and a RASSO barrister (they are leaving in droves) and the right expert witnesses etc. The system needs more investment in the specialists that make this work. The Law Society and in partcular the Bar Council have been complaining about this for years.

www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/landmark-survey-reveals-mass-exodus-of-specialist-rape-lawyers/5118720.article

Sentencing a defendant that is pleading guilty and that doesnt require a pre-sentencing report etc is always going to be quicker and more efficiently dealt with.

It's about pleading guilty. Do you know even the basics of our criminal justice system?

Yes what a relief

Starmer was DPP in 2011, so was involved then too.

Yes and labour are also releasing lots of.prisoners early to free up space so most donf serve their full se hence now. Same will happen with the rioters wheb they need space they will be released early.

Started last October under Sunak.

www.gov.uk/government/news/prison-reforms-will-cut-reoffending-and-put-worst-offenders-behind-bars-for-longer

Result of years of extending sentencing and failure to build prisons. Something that was warned about time after time. You can't do both without providing more prison places - or making it more dangerous for staff and prisoners.

Setting fire to a bin and shoving it into a hotel in order to harm people, Should have been an attempted murder charge.

I am glad it's been dealt with quickly - it may have stopped the momentum of the riots, and that's important. It's taking a huge injection of resources to do it.

It must be absolutely galling for those people whose court cases will be delayed even further. But that is the fault of the rioters primarily. Hopefully the government will put measures in place quickly to clear the backlog.

It was only a couple of weeks ago the government said it was essential to let a load of prisoners out early because jails were over full. Now they're managing to find space to lock up anyone who shouted some rude words. Almost like they knew civil unrest was just around the corner.

And meanwhile those hooligans who the whole country has seen the CCTV of committing ABH against a female police officer haven't even been arrested, nevermind charged, taken to court, found guilty nor sentenced. It might not be two Kier policing, but it bloody stinks.

It's almost like the previous government started letting prisoners out early last October you just didn't care then.

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/what-is-the-government-doing-to-reduce-pressure-on-prison-capacity/

This!

Wrecking brown peoples livelihoods,Trying to burn them alive. Take your time.

The rioters are all recorded on CCTV. Most rapists aren't. Bodyworn video is an easy way of getting a guilty plea in court.