'Sneaking' two extra children into hotel room booked for two adults and two children

[AlbertCamel]

AIBU in thinking this may have implications regarding insurance etc?

Friend is off on holiday later today to a large hotel abroad with her DH and four DC aged between 4 and 16. Not a package, no meals included and flights were booked separately.

The room has a small bedroom, bathroom and living area with a sofa bed. It sleeps 4. They've booked it for two adults and two children. That's the maximum number of people allowed.

She wants to check in with DH, their two youngest boys and all their luggage, and have the two oldest boys wait outside until they're 'sneaked' in a little while later.

I think that whilst this is logistically possible, it will have implications but not sure what these implications might be. Friend thinks there's no problem with this and nobody will bat an eyelid.

AIBU in saying it's not a good idea?

Just to clarify I'm definitely a she! 😂Can't speak for the person I quoted! 😉

Agree.

Cheating is cheating. Slyly getting away with something is what lowlife do.

I thought so but I know someone would have commented on it 😂

😂😂

Why are you so defensive? Would you sneak two extra children into a hotel for 10 days without paying?

If it’s just a room then it’s not too bad although I would be worried about being caught out and I can’t imagine it’s very comfortable for a whole week, especially not for the two without a bed but it will probably feel pretty cramped.

but if they are also using facilities like a pool/sunloungers etc then it is not appropriate and fair on other people in the hotel.

The amount of people who seem OK with this is astonishing. People seriously just don't give a fuck anymore, do they?

It would never occur to me to consider it largely because I'd go round the bend cramed that close with my whole family.

But I also wouldn't pick a row with someone I claimed was my friend over something this minor that had absolutely fuck all to do with me.

It's not exactly good parenting, is it? If the kids ever get caught stealing and their parents punish them, they'll just be able to say "How is this any different from that time you made us sneak into the hotel?"

It's a room they have paid for a room if they are happy to be squashed it's no big deal. If they were helping themselves to all inclusive food and drink that would be different.

Don't try this in France!
How are you going to explain at the border that you only have a booking for four for your six-person family?
They mightn't be applying these rules yet, but they are already clearly set out for holidaymakers and anyone who might be hosting UK family or friends, and they will probably start checking when the ETIAS comes in later this year.

https://france-visas.gouv.fr/en/web/france-visas/your-arrival-in-france

"If you are staying in a hotel, you will need to provide a hotel booking as well as a minimum amount per day of stay that differs depending on the Schengen country visited.
For France, this amount is:

• 65 euros per day of stay in the case of presentation of a hotel booking;
• 120 euros per day in the case of non-presentation of a hotel booking;
• In the case of a partial hotel booking: 65 euros per day for the period covered by the booking and 120 euros per day for the remainder of the stay.

If you are hosted by an individual, you must provide a certificate of staying with a relative validated in the town hall at the request of the person who invited you (note: at the border crossing you must also prove that you have, in addition to this certificate, a minimum amount per day of stay - this minimum amount is €32.50 per day)."

But they will be using towels they haven't paid to wash, in the room and by the pool, water and electricity they haven't paid to use, sunbeds they haven't paid to use that maybe a guest who HAS paid now cannot use and probably other things I can't think of just now. Where is the line before it becomes unacceptable?

I wouldn't pick a row with them, but I would definitely judge them for being cheapskates (silently), and wonder what else they are being cheapskete about.

they will probably start checking when the ETIAS comes in later this year.

That's been postponed yet again.

It's also not really feasible to check every single traveller in that amount of detail - can you imagine how many miles the tailbacks at Dover would extend to?

French residents have also found there is literally no mechanism for them to get a certificate at their nearest Marie in many cases.

I hope Starmer gets his finger out about smoothing travel between the UK and EU because trying to run the border with your next door neighbour the same way as you do for an entirely unconnected third country is unworkable.

But I'm not the owner of the hotel and neither are you lol.

This entire thread is full of the type of people who have never snook into a festival or gone anywhere where they didn't have their hands held.

If you think this is ab enormous crime and hugely immoral you're a fool who's been wrapped in cotton wool and candy floss all their lives.

I feel a kind of pity for you but also can't help but laugh. Enjoy the moral high ground while I enjoy my free hotel room.

Perfectly easy to navigate for anyone with an iq above room temperature.

Why would you care if your friend does this to the extent of falling out with her? It's nothing to do with you. It's highly unlikely the hotel with burn down and if it does they aren't going to leave 2 children in the room but rescue 4 other people, are they. And what insurance implications are you thinking of? Insurance against what and taken out by whom?

Hotel insurance is 3rd party liability and would only pay if the hotel were negligent . In that situation it probably wouldn't make any difference whether the person had paid or not.

Travel insurance is unlikely to ask for evidence of your hotel booking unless the claim relates to the booking itself.

My best friends sister had a hen party where someone said they couldn’t come then changed their mind last minute and just decided to crash in one of the rooms without paying for 5 nights.
My friends sister wasn’t happy but a few of the other girls insisted it would be fine and one of the girls who had paid her way was pressured into sharing a bed with her.
About half the group were against it but were made to feel like they were being over dramatic when they raised concerns about being caught and any concerns were shot down.
The woman freeloading had 3 children and played the sympathy card that she never got a break and they couldn’t afford to go abroad as a family.
The rest were half board and she even snuck in for breakfast, it was a big group so they thought no one would notice.

On the 3rd day she got called to reception as she hadn’t officially checked in and they asked which room she was staying in, when they discovered she had just been sneaking into one of the rooms it wasn’t taken lightly, she wasn’t allowed to even stay at the hotel and book her own room. The other girls offered to club together to book another room but they just said she needed to leave and it was lucky they didn’t call the police or try to charge her for the nights she stayed for free.

They said it was a matter of insurance- in case she got ill, slipped or fell or there was a fire.
The hotel manager said what would have happened if she had a medical emergency?
I’m not sure how they noticed her, there was supposed to be 4 women in 3 rooms (two to each bed) but in one room there were 5. I’m guessing they look out for these sort of things?

I agree with the majority of posters that it’s sneaky and not a good impression to be making for the kids. I’d have been so anxious about getting caught when I was young that I’d have spent the whole holiday terrified. At 16 I think I’d have lost a bit of respect for them.

Never mind the moral side of it though, that is going to be an absolutely miserable holiday!

I can’t imagine any teenagers happy to share a bed in a hot hotel room. No one will have any privacy and they can’t even use separate rooms to relax as they will all be on top of each other.
At that close proximity they will want to kill each other, no one is going to get any sleep and they will be fighting over the bathroom! Can you imagine getting back from the beach and wanting to get showered off and ready to go out for dinner with a queue forming behind you?!

The novelty of sleeping on lilos will soon wear off, there will be no room to even move round and where will they get fresh bedding from unless they have maid service? If they do have maid service are they going to ask for bedding for the make shift air beds?! And the maids will almost certainly notice two extra people in there.

I bet the noise will be horrendous - especially when all the kids start arguing. The other thing that I’ve only noticed one person mention is that room will absolutely STINK!

I feel sorry for the oldest kids, you couldn’t have paid me to go away at 16 and sleep top to toe with a sweaty farting sibling with their stinky feet next to my face in a hot room with no privacy at all and be literally crammed in with the rest of my family. No sleep with people getting up or going to bed at different times, going to the toilet, snoring, moving about on a noisy lilo.

I’m not surprised OP raised her concerns with her friend, I’d be telling my best friend she was bat shit and it sounds like the holiday from hell and a guarantee they will all hate each other for those 10 days.
What happens if they all get the shits?!

I’d like to think I have a good enough friendship that I could say all this, I’d be calling my friend a cheapskate as well! We both value each others honesty.

I would really like an update for this, we probably won’t get the truth as no one is going to admit they had a shit time in this situation unless they get caught and get chucked out. I think the chances of that happening are pretty high though…

The card usually controls the electrics as well so you do use your card to leave the room. Although that would only be one person's card if the room has more than one occupant.

@Anotherparkingthread

This entire thread is full of the type of people who have never snook into a festival or gone anywhere where they didn't have their hands held.

If you think this is ab enormous crime and hugely immoral you're a fool who's been wrapped in cotton wool and candy floss all their lives.

I feel a kind of pity for you but also can't help but laugh. Enjoy the moral high ground while I enjoy my free hotel room.
Hey you do you. I could give a flying fuck. But trying to make yourself somehow look like the crazy fun one living the dream is kind of laughable. Definitely an embarrassing position to take.

I'm currently thoroughly enjoying my luxury resort accommodation. Fully paid. Not squished up on a lilo 😂

Well personally, squeezing 6 people into a 4 person room for 10 days sounds like hell. She either can’t afford 4 kids or should have waited to save up more for a suitable room.

Also it would be completely out of order for them to take 6 sunbeds, or anything with limited numbers.

Other than that I’d keep out of it. If they want to have a cramped holiday, and be anxious they may be caught or one of their kids drops them in it, that’s their lookout. Doesn’t sound very holiday chilled to me.

And I'm not the owner either, "lol".

However "lolling" aside, no I've never "snook" into a festival or not paid my way because I'm not morally bankrupt. Not sure what "gone anywhere where they didn't have their hands held." means because I have gone many places alone without my hand being held, however, I have always paid my fare because I'm not a CF.

And no, you are quite correct, it's not an enormous crime, however it IS still immoral and wrong, there are consequences to others, even if minor. No wonder the country is going to hell in a hand basket if people like you are teaching their children to sneak around and try to beat the system and that it's something to be proud of. You might think you are cool and superior to all us mugs playing by the rules and enjoying your freebie, but your children might push it that bit further and just do a bit of shoplifting because they aren't hurting anyone and then it's a slippery slope. Where does your moral compass kick in?

And I feel a kind of pity for you because you are not as cool and edgy as you think you are and it's actually you that has been wrapped in cotton wool and candy floss all their lives, because you are so selfish, thoughtless and totally blind to the fact that it's the small things that matter for society to really work and to stop resentment from building.

What a weird and defensive post.

No, I haven't been wrapped in cotton wool and candy floss all my life nor had my hand held since I was small.

You seem to wear your lack of moral compass like a badge of honour.

Yes, I am happy to take the moral high ground because it reflects the decent upbringing I had. Your dishonesty and lack of integrity says more about you than it does about me and many other posters on this thread.