NHS band 8b

[Northfemale]

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i know NHS band 8’s can’t claim OT payment- what be about lieu time?

AIBU that when working mon to Fri- having to travel nearly 7 hrs Sunday daytime and stay overnight for team meeting mon/tues I should get some time back?

I’ve asked the Q and been told essentially tough -travel in my own time. Having already done the travel and worked all the way down I’m feeling rather annoyed! Why should I give up my Sunday?
I accept starting early/ finishing late. This was giving up a rest day - or get up 4am…

thoughts - pls….?

So effectively if you earn a certain amount your contracted hours mean nothing? So with tax and the extra hours people could be earning an hourly rate a few bands lower but with a load more responsibility?
She is entitled to TOIL, it's up to her trust to say whether travel time in this instance (given that it's almost a full work day) can be classed as this. Also depends on situation. If she knew this was going to be required when she took the job, she should've taken this into consideration. If it's a new thing then that's unfair.

Of course we need management, just not the current cohort of clowns that have run a lot of the NHS trusts into the ground and deficit.

Yep, we need more info from OP around the reasons for travel, type of job and whether travel to this base is stipulated as a requirement in her contract.

Isn't that more to do with underfunding by the previous government, made worse due to pay restraint leading to recruitment and retention issues, and all the contracts with private providers to supply goods, services and labour at rip off prices?

If the NHS was properly funded and free to run itself in optimum fashion, it wouldn't have been 'run into the ground and deficit'.

Which cohort are the clowns? The public facing chief execs who face prison if their staff fuck up sufficiently and deal with the daily politics? The IT teams? The HR managers maybe or perhaps payroll and finance? No? Contract management, maybe they could go? Which "clown" would you cut? (Fwiw I'm not in the NHS I just feel their management get a bad time!)

i don’t know if it varies by trust but I’ve got a band 8 relative who definitely claims her travel costs back for travel to places outside of her normal office when required. As she should ! I really hope what you’ve said isn’t right because that’s totally out of order.

8b operational managers and professional specialists are not these people.

I am contracted to work 37.5 hours a week. I work up to 40 hours, flexibly. If I worked Sunday I would be able to take lieu time.

If I have a meeting/event remotely or involving an overnight stay, travel and accommodation is paid for but I don’t claim lieu time for the additional time away from home, however such events are not scheduled for Mondays for a reason.
I don’t expect to work for a lower hourly rate than Band 6 staff just because I’m a specialist in my field.

During COVID it was different. I worked 60 hour weeks for several months with no additional pay.

It's pretty standard for higher bands/grades not to get either OT or TOIL. Travel on Sunday, but read a book or watch a movie rather than working..

Don't think you'll get much sympathy from those of us working on the ward; constantly short staffed, regular missed breaks and late off nearly every shift! No TOIL or OT for us either I'm afraid.

You’ll get flamed op as people will look at your salary and think you’re on the big bucks. But this is my exact reason for sticking as a band 7. Once you reach band 8 and are taxed ridiculously and OT isn’t allowed it isn’t worth it. I feel for you. You will work your ass off, have a a lot of responsibility and stress, get slagged off by lower bands and ultimately have very little perks. My band 8a boss gets paid less than me and im
part time. My 8c higher boss is on about £300 more a month and her work life balance is insane!
Hoping you can get toil and chip away at it even if it means you can just take a whole day off (a few hours when your works calmer over different days). Unreasonable for you to effectively work your day off to travel to a meeting you have to attend. Assume you can’t join on teams? So frustrating.

Yes you're right re 8b salary.

Highest I ever got was Band 7, and even then I chose my own working hours as a departmental manager (and even as Band 7 it was expected that you do a certain amount outside of normal workiing hours). But in a situation like above, I'd be taking TOIL. As an 8b surely you can do what you like?

My understanding was that anyone band 7 and above is not entitled to overtime or time back in lieu. I left 10 years ago though so might have changed.

I'm 8b clinical.

Hear hear!

As a management grade yes you don't get toil back. However, this is rest day working so you should be entitled to take it elsewhere as you are working the day.

Whilst you don't have a toil allowance, equally if you work a short day then that shouldn't be an issue. I appreciate as an 8b that will most likely be rare.

One of my team is having to work her free day and she is basically taking at another time

This issue is travelling for 7 hours on her day off (Sunday) so she can be at a base ready for Monday. During this travel time OP is choosing to work. The other option OP stated was leaving her house at 4am Monday morning.

Clearly OP does not live near where she is required to be. OP is asking whether she can claim this travel.time back.

What needs to be clarified is whether OP took this job knowing that she was expected to be at the office/base in person, and is now expecting time back for an inconvenience she has chosen. If so, no, they do not need to give you any time in lieu for you choosing to travel on your day off.

Or whether this is a new requirement due to the trust changing the location, in which case OP has every right to ask for time in lieu.