Specific Question on the Olympic Boxers

[IKnowNothingAboutBoxing]

I posted this a couple of days ago, but no replies, so I thought I would ask in AIBU.

With all the stuff happening with Imane Khelif and Angela Carini, I've not been able to see if any other competitor complain at the time?

Putting to one side the DSD and the "man" issues - how long did their bouts last? did any other coach raise concerns?

How long were their bouts?

I know nothing about boxing (see user name) I just thinking about why the fuss was only 1 fighter, who was one the best of the best women fighters and why we havent heard anything from other competitors?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5135007-regarding-khelif-did-any-other-competitor-complain-at-the-time

All this is easily searched as there has been plenty of coverage in the media. All the fights have gone the distance (3 rounds of 3 minutes each) except for the one between Carina and Khelif where Carina conceded halfway through round 1.

There have been complaints by coaches but none really by boxers, athough they have taken to making an 'X' sign as a silent protest.

So why didnt the other opponents have the same reaction as Carina?

All the fights have gone the distance (3 rounds of 3 minutes each) except for the one between Carina and Khelif where Carina conceded halfway through round 1.

We’re not mind readers OP, we can’t tell you that. All I can tell you is no matter how hard a man’s life has been, or how shit he is at boxing, he doesn’t belong in womens sport.

There is now video of him referring to himself as a man taken 10 years ago, I’m sick of the gaslighting around this whole issue.

We've heard from several of their competitors who were forced to retract and instead females have had to resort to silent protest making XX signs.

We've also heard from a trans boxer.

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/olympics/article-13701255/amp/Hergie-Bacyadan-female-boxer-identifies-man-calls-fighters-fail-gender-tests-banned-Imane-Khelif-Lin-Yu-ting-Angela-Carini-Paris-Olympics.html

And also from Nicola Adams on X.

How have you missed all this?

1. because I dont read the Daily Hate

and 2) All the fights have gone the distance (3 rounds of 3 minutes each)

So if they are a man, then how did they not fight quicker or harder?

Surely the other fights would have ended quicker?

My guess why they didn’t make a fuss.

Boxing is super lucrative and for many the olympics is a gateway to a professional career.

Khelif has already been shut out as a professional because of the blood tests.

If you do want to go professional I guess you don’t want the IBF of other bodies to see you as a troublemaker.

To be fair to the OP I’m pretty well informed but try and stick to the broadsheets who have been very careful in their reporting and not said much. I don’t read the DM because most of what they print is nonsense.

i also don’t look at X because it’s a swamp filled with bots and trolls.

Surely the other fights would have ended quicker?

One of the other boxers asked to have her gloves removed but her coach forced her back in the ring.

So you admit you don't read anything beyond your bubble.

When Lia Thomas started to win by a large margin he started to get a lot of (negative) media attention.
Then, all of a sudden, his races started to be very close. Because he was obviously sandbagging - you could see he wasn't really using his legs, he was clearly not putting 100% into his races.

Can you imagine the negative media attention if Khelif went all out and every opponent had to retire in the first round? I suspect he is not putting in his all. I also suspect that he is a mediocre male against some incredible, elite, highly trained women.

Also, maybe Khelif knows he went in too hard with Angela Carina and is literally pulling his punches. Hitting hard enough to win but "soft" enough for people (like OP) to say "oh look, that person isn't absolutely battering their opponent. That person must be a woman" .

As opposed to saying "if everyone said I was a man and I know I'm a woman I'd spend 120 seconds of my life (less time than a boxing round) and I'd do the non invasive swab test in public"

Khelif has had a good Olympic run, but has lost many fights previously, so clearly didn't have a physical advantage over the opponents who beat her.

Also, regardless of testosterone or any DSD, opponents in boxing are matched by weight category, which means Khelif is not significantly heavier or more muscular than any other opponent in that category.

The boxer who pulled out of her fight could have found herself against any woman boxer of a similar weight, height and muscularity, because she fights in that weight category.

They're both shit boxers who would get slaughtered if they were competing in their sex category.

Perhaps Khelif is just a mediocre male fighting against elite females.

matched by weight category, which means Khelif is not significantly heavier or more muscular than any other opponent in that category.

Women are not just small men.

As we know from weightlifting, when we compare elite athletes of both sexes, a lightweight man (under 61kg) is about as strong as a heavyweight woman (over 87kg).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ListofOlympicrecordsinweightlifting

If Imane Khelif were actually an elite boxer, the matches would be completely one-sided. Since he's in fact a mediocre male boxer fighting elite women, the matches are considerably closer. But they are still both unsafe and unfair.

It actually doesn't matter if he won nothing or everything, he shouldn't be fighting with women.
How good he is is irrelevant - or are we saying that men can fight women but only if they aren't very good?

If you take a man and a woman who are the same height, weight and fitness level the man will be stronger and faster. This is due to the physiological differences between the sexes.
For example the different angles of our thighs - due to women having a wider pelvis - means that men apply forces more directly downwards and therefore can run quicker.
Same applies to upper body strength.

If Khelif is beaten by a woman it doesn't mean that he had no natural advantage, it means that she has trained incredibly hard to overcome his natural advantages.

So if Carini had found herself facing a woman of similar height, weight and muscularity as Khelif she would have had a much better chance.

I'm sorry but Bull shit.

Been the same weight does not give you the same muscle mass, bone density, heart and lung size, cardiovascular system or reach. If it did we would need mens & womens leagues, we'd just split by weight.

It's very difficult for athletes to stand up against the power of the IOC - speaking truth to power is always hard, but especially so when you're in a sport that is pretty new, where there is some discussion about whether it will be in the next Olympics, where often it's a way out of poverty and people don't want to rock the boat and risk losing their career. All this is doubly the case when it's females speaking. There is a lot of misogyny around still, and many powerful organisations really don't like females arguing for their sex-based rights.
Also I suspect that the two boxers in question are not particularly good for their sex class, so won't always win against the top elite females.

The obvious answers have already been given: He's held back to avoid making things too obvious, and the women have decided they need to play along with the farce, likely because it's worse for their future careers to do otherwise. And as long as he's holding back and not posing as scary a physical threat, there's less at stake.

So many posters on these threads seem to think that if every man can't beat every woman there can't be a male advantage. Therefore if these boxers don't win every fight all's definitely fair. So illogical.

a. because they're not actually very good, even with male advantage

b. because they're pulling their punches, so that useful idiots like you will come on social media and say "look, all the bouts went the distance, they can't possibly be any funny business!"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crlr8gp813ko
Very interesting/informative article here.

A male's punching power is 162%. greater than a female's. Males and females of the same weight/height are not equally matched

There is so much misinformation being spouted about this, i'd suggest you look elsewhere for real information, some of the misinformation online claiming that the two boxers, Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting, are transgender.
Neither Khelif nor Lin are men or transgender, they have never been recognised as men, nor have they ever identified as men, as transgender, or as intersex, both have long established boxing careers always fighting as women and this is not like they suddenly decided to change gender to become better winners as athletes. Khelif lost to the magnificent and far superior Kellie Harrington in the Tokyo Olympics.
Khelif was recognised/ identified as female when born, it's on her birth cert which cannot be changed under her countries laws, to deliberately post about her with the masculine pronoun is incredible rude.

The IOC confirmed Lin and Khelif had DSDs when they had to correct a statement they made in a press conference