Specific Question on the Olympic Boxers

[IKnowNothingAboutBoxing]

I posted this a couple of days ago, but no replies, so I thought I would ask in AIBU.

With all the stuff happening with Imane Khelif and Angela Carini, I've not been able to see if any other competitor complain at the time?

Putting to one side the DSD and the "man" issues - how long did their bouts last? did any other coach raise concerns?

How long were their bouts?

I know nothing about boxing (see user name) I just thinking about why the fuss was only 1 fighter, who was one the best of the best women fighters and why we havent heard anything from other competitors?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5135007-regarding-khelif-did-any-other-competitor-complain-at-the-time

Funny because Khelif's birth certificate was issued in 2018. Right before he started boxing. Convenient huh?🤔

Where is this video?

I wonder why all boxing isn't mixed sex if matching opponents by weight is all that counts?

Maybe it's because men are significantly stronger.

When the female athletes who lost to 3 males in the Rio Olympics 800m race complained they received death threats. This may be one of the reasons that the female boxers are reluctant to be more vocal in their complaints.

It's not informative at all, it's an attempt to muddy the waters.

No one with a DSD which means they either don't produce testosterone or cannot respond to the testosterone they produce would qualify for Olympic level boxing. They're probably too preoccupied managing their health.

I suspect that is part of it and threat of the loss of sponsorship.

Here are some news rather than tabloid press articles- that cover some of the true facts , rather than listening to made up crap about new birth certs and videos,
https://www.badlefthook.com/2024/8/1/24211625/there-are-no-transgender-women-boxing-in-paris-olympic-boxing-news-2024

https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/cye0ex43k63o

i came across the following also about what gives an advantage in this sport,
https://www.newstalk.com/news/olympic-boxing-row-extra-testosterone-not-a-combat-advantage-1751772

People need to consider that they are talking about a 25 year old athlete, away from family and home, who has trained and competed for years to make it to the olympics in what is a pretty brutal sport at best of times, i have a child whos 24 it would sicken me for them to have to put up with a small fraction of the vitriol being thrown at these competitors.

The date on the birth certificate is 2018. That's a fact.

Why are you posting articles on trans issues when no one has claimed they are?

Imagine your child is female and involved in a contact sport. Would it sicken you for her to have to put up with being punched by an individual with 162% of her punching power?

The birth cert, regardless of when it was issued, is irrelevant; people with DSDs are commonly (admittedly more so in some countries than others) mistakenly sexed at birth.

With a punch strength 160% of a female competitor and with the skeletal, lung capacity and other advantages make puberty brings, being in the sane category as women of the same weight is NOT a fair fight,

The IOC uses passports as proof when a cheek swab would clear this up.

It’s dangerous, irresponsible and unfair on female athletes.

No the hurt feelings and disappointment of men is far more important than potential serious physical injury and lost opportunities for women.

People need to consider that they are talking about a 25 year old athlete, away from family and home, who has trained and competed for years to make it to the olympics in what is a pretty brutal sport at best of times, i have a child whos 24 it would sicken me for them to have to put up with a small fraction of the vitriol being thrown at these competitors.

Unless the athletes usually reside in Paris all the athletes are away from home and family. The female boxers have also trained for years to earn their place at the Olympics. Female boxers have only been able to compete at the Olympics since 2012 and a mere 12 years later men are stealing their medals. Perhaps you could spare a thought for them.

It's not just similar weight and height. Men generally have better hand-eye coordination and faster reflexes. They also have larger muscle mass, as well as bigger and longer bones and larger organs such as lungs and heart. They also have more fast-twitch muscle fibers than women. He is a man born with a disorder where the penis didn't grow correctly, he shouldn't be beating up women in a ring!

I would be disgusted at my son who chose to cheat! And 24 is an adult!

How well informed can you really be if you only read and consume media in a narrow bubble?
Every news outlet has an agenda and threshold, best to consume as much as you can if you want a balanced knowledge.

regardless of testosterone or any DSD, opponents in boxing are matched by weight category, which means Khelif is not significantly heavier or more muscular than any other opponent in that category

I’m surprised that anyone brings up that old long-demolished myth these days. I know very little about sports, but even I know a man is likely to be significantly stronger than a woman of the same weight. lt’s male puberty that makes the huge, unignorable difference.

@MarkWithaC

People need to consider that they are talking about a 25 year old athlete, away from family and home, who has trained and competed for years to make it to the olympics in what is a pretty brutal sport at best of times, i have a child whos 24 it would sicken me for them to have to put up with a small fraction of the vitriol being thrown at these competitors

Why must our sympathy with male medical conditions extend to allowing females to be put at risk of fatal harm? What is wrong with you?

Please, read more carefully. I didn't say this.

@MarkWithaC apologies, I tagged the wrong poster.

After the Carini-Khalif fight, I saw a lot of armchair experts on X commenting on Carini’s ‘poor technique’, but I can only imagine her fear and psychological block if after 40 seconds she felt so badly hurt that she immediately called time. Female athletes need to have complete confidence that they’re going into a fair fight.

No bother!

Well the Guardian, Times, Telegraph and Independent represent a range of political views. Reading tabloids who we all know make stuff up doesn’t really make one more informed it just confuses matters.