Shamima Begum

[Mamabear04]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2n8xv61x3o

I'll admit I actually don't know much about this apart from it being on the news when it happened and I did watch a documentary about it. Do you think she should be allowed to have British citizenship? I mean she was a child when it happened, surely she was groomed? And now stateless, doomed to live indefinitely in a camp with nowhere to go? I think running away to join Isis is of course absolutely awful but surely she should be treated as a child that was groomed? Or am I missing something?

Yeah, plenty of 15 year olds do spectacularly daft stuff. But, you know what, 99.9% of them manage to not join a terrorist organisation and spend their days sewing others into suicide vests. Because that's clearly not just your average, dopey teenage behaviour. It's twisted, chilling, sociopathic behaviour that is, thankfully, far beyond the comprehension of 99.9% of teenagers.

The UK has allowed back over 300 others who left to join IS. Men who were adults when they left and who will have actually fought and killed for IS have been allowed back and you could be living next door to them and your kids playing with theirs at school.

Shamima Begum comes across very badly in interviews etc. She is unlikeable to say the least. But we've accepted actual terrorists back, yet made an example of her, why?Shamima Begum is a handy scapegoat. We've taken back adult men who definitely did worse.

It's naïve to say 'she's a massive terrorist' when we've let men of fighting age, who were adults when they went over to join IS, come back.

We let them back because we had no choice. But we do have a choice to get rid of her.

Anyway, that comment wasnt even on that topic. It's impossible to declare racism when she's a horrible person ie her background isn't the reason people don't like her.

But we shouldn't be able to dump her on a poorer country, she's our problem. People don't have to be sorry for what they've done, or be likeable, to be UK citizens. And we've taken back actual IS fighters, so if we can cope with them we should be able to cope with her. She's a scapegoat.

I think she is unlikeable and probably a horrible person. However, no one should be able to be stripped of their citizenship. That is a horrible precedent.

We as a society need to deal with her as we would any other citizen. If that’s a lengthy prison sentence so be it. We can’t just ignore it and let a probably very stretched Syria deal with it.

She’d be ripped apart if she came back. She’s best off restarting her life elsewhere. If she was my child I’d be out there with her sorting it. She shouldn’t be alone.

When it comes down to it she’s pretty low on the list of people I would fight for or feel any sympathy for. I’ve also seen her interviews.

You'd be out there sorting it?

I'd have 100% disowned her.

If there was any chance she would be ripped apart, lots more would be in favour of her coming back. But the English justice system doesn't give much hope.

All kinds of horrible people have been let out eventually, Baby P's so-called mother was released, iirc. She's out there getting on with life, as SB would eventually

She was a child when she went there, groomed, she has had terrible experiences. However, there is a danger she is still radicalised and therefore it's too risky to let her back in. It's awful for her but it would be a hundred times worse if she were let back in and engaged in terrorist activities.

But we've let 300 others back in, including men who were adults when they went and who fought for IS. How likely is it that someone who was a teenager,a female and a mother, in that medieval belief system, did worse than them? She probably never left the house. How can she be a bigger risk to us than adults who fought for IS and who are now free on our streets? It doesn't make sense.

She did herself no favours when giving an extensive interview that was aired on TV. Despite the advice of her legal team she was still unapologetic, refused to name supporters of ISIS in this country who arranged her transport out to join them and came across as justifying the behaviour of ISIS. She certainly sounded like a danger to National Security.

That said, I do wish she had had a trial in the UK.

They should not have been let back in either. I don't know whether she's a bigger risk than them. You are assuming a lot.

Not in a million years. I don’t care in the least bit about her. However, if this was either of my dds I’d be there with them.

But that has no bearing on whether or not she is a danger to the people of this country.

15 is well old enough to know right from wrong, she should have had more sense. Let her stay where she is.

That's even more reason not to make her someone else's problem. She was radicalised in the uk. She is the UMUK's responsibility

Sorry typo. UK's responsibility

OMG, she's a f*king terrorist!

Why would the uk get to offload their terrorists on other countries though? Why is she anyone else's responsibility other than the UKs?

I mean, if other countries started offloading their terrorists to the uk, I expect you'd be livid about that, no?

She is not "our" terrorist. She is "a" terrorist. She is her own responsibililty, not ours. Why are you so concerned about a person who has conspired to murder thousands? She has shown no remorse. Her own considerable suffering is not relevant to her crimes.

There MUST be details regarding her actions that are being kept confidential, not in the public interest etc.
Otherwise it makes no sense (compared with how liberal Britain is usually, letting in bad'uns for exile etc).

They are dead, afaik. She is the sole survivor.

She was groomed. She doesn’t come across well in interviews. Her family aren’t able to make a media friendly appeal. The girl made big mistakes, still seems lacking in nous, but has lost three babies. I think they should let her come back to the uk.

No she isn't. She does not have British citizenship.