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To marvel at privately educated Keir Starmer's hypocrisy?

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Bursarysadness · 06/08/2024 16:03

Both Kier Starmer and his wife are privately educated. Kier's senior school converted into a private school in the second year of his attendance and he has received a generous full bursary up until his A levels. He has built his life and his success on this education, supported to the end by the bursary funded by the same schools and parents he is now trying to destroy. It pains me as my children receive 50% bursaries from a brilliant local school. We've worked incredibly hard to cover the remaining 50% but it has been worth it, seeing how my children blossomed. We had a very different experience in their primary state schools, including bullying and racism. We don't live in a great area. We have just been told that the school will probably reduce all their bursaries to be able to lower the fees for the non bursary parents who are now struggling because of the VAT introduction. I don't know what the future for my children is now and they have so many close friends where they are. They are both academically brilliant and work very hard - hence the bursaries were granted. I feel so depressed that, from what is becoming obvious, they won't be able to benefit from the generosity of bursaries the same way Kier Starmer did when he was a child ..

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CurlewKate · 07/08/2024 18:14

@Clavinova "
They don’t agree with the public using private education, it’s unfair on the other children, but oh wait…..it’s ok to send their own children. "

People don't think it's OK. They think it's outrageous.

Tiredalwaystired · 07/08/2024 18:15

Claphambunny · 07/08/2024 18:10

My British born husband (state educated in the 80s and 90s) says state education was always in a mess in the UK and his local comp was awful (and he comes from a "naice" town). So tej Tories didn't ruin it then? Who did then? Labour was in power for many years with Blair etc... so why didn't they fix it?

Broad brush answer. There are many many many good and outstanding comprehensive schools out there. I’m extremely proud of the one my children attend.

There are also poor schools. Both private and state.

Bursarysadness · 07/08/2024 18:15

Didn't work though right?

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CurlewKate · 07/08/2024 18:16

@Clavinova "This is the least of their problems though. Been in a month and already in disarray."
Talk to me about this disarray.

Muddlingalongsomehow · 07/08/2024 18:18

Why are you doing this? It just makes you look desperately ill informed and ignorant. Daily Mail propaganda spreading is not a good look.

What you have put is untrue and spiteful because you are pissed off by a law brought in by a democratically elected government. I am really so sick of this "tell a lie and see if it sticks" nonsense. Why does anyone want a country where this prevails?

Hameth · 07/08/2024 18:36

Bursarysadness · 06/08/2024 16:16

My children experienced racism in their primary state school. This is sadly my experience of the state sector. The school did next to nothing about it

My son along with dozens in his year signed a letter complaining of institutional racism (teachers confusing IDs of brown people, not saying names properly and much more) when he left his private school in 2018. So not unique.

MarvellousMonsters · 07/08/2024 18:48

FFS

To marvel at privately educated Keir Starmer's hypocrisy?
bigschoolsdilemma · 07/08/2024 18:49

This is really sad. We are considering moving our kids to state, perhaps not in January but definitely next year. We can no longer afford it. If you have more than one child, this change is massive. Our kids are very upset and already "hate labour" and think the government is punishing them and don't understand why. Our school is not posh and our kids are normal. It's sad isn't it? Hope the government will do more for the other kids to make them love them. Because they have definitely already created a very angry and confused group of young people.

Hazey19 · 07/08/2024 18:56

You are being VV unreasonable 🙄

AnnieSnap · 07/08/2024 18:58

Oh FFS! He won a place to a Grammer School (the system at the time). When it changed to a Private School, he was offered a bursary to remain there because his parents couldn’t have afforded the fees. Should he have had his education disrupted by being moved? Just pay the bloody VAT. No doubt that’s your gripe 🙄

Qwertys · 07/08/2024 18:59

bigschoolsdilemma · 07/08/2024 18:49

This is really sad. We are considering moving our kids to state, perhaps not in January but definitely next year. We can no longer afford it. If you have more than one child, this change is massive. Our kids are very upset and already "hate labour" and think the government is punishing them and don't understand why. Our school is not posh and our kids are normal. It's sad isn't it? Hope the government will do more for the other kids to make them love them. Because they have definitely already created a very angry and confused group of young people.

I actually laughed aloud at this ridiculous post.

venus7 · 07/08/2024 19:00

Bursarysadness · 06/08/2024 16:03

Both Kier Starmer and his wife are privately educated. Kier's senior school converted into a private school in the second year of his attendance and he has received a generous full bursary up until his A levels. He has built his life and his success on this education, supported to the end by the bursary funded by the same schools and parents he is now trying to destroy. It pains me as my children receive 50% bursaries from a brilliant local school. We've worked incredibly hard to cover the remaining 50% but it has been worth it, seeing how my children blossomed. We had a very different experience in their primary state schools, including bullying and racism. We don't live in a great area. We have just been told that the school will probably reduce all their bursaries to be able to lower the fees for the non bursary parents who are now struggling because of the VAT introduction. I don't know what the future for my children is now and they have so many close friends where they are. They are both academically brilliant and work very hard - hence the bursaries were granted. I feel so depressed that, from what is becoming obvious, they won't be able to benefit from the generosity of bursaries the same way Kier Starmer did when he was a child ..

'Parents he is now trying to destroy'? Hyperbole.
PP made good point about free school meals being abolished; were you concerned then?

Hoppinggreen · 07/08/2024 19:00

My DS is at Private school and his sister recently left, I would prefer not to pay VAT on fees but here we are.
Starmer is no hypocrite in this instance and you are being ridiculous

joles12 · 07/08/2024 19:01

IFollowRivers · 07/08/2024 17:07

Yes I get that. It's not even luxury education. It is just private education. Given that there is a free at point of use alternative for those who choose not to pay the tax I can't see what the hysteria is about.

Sorry but it will be nigh on impossible to change the law and define luxury education- education is education- if you want to avoid loopholes in the future so many other businesses that provide training and education will potentially fall into this . Unforseen consequences ahead

Shaketherombooga · 07/08/2024 19:01

Bursarysadness · 06/08/2024 16:03

Both Kier Starmer and his wife are privately educated. Kier's senior school converted into a private school in the second year of his attendance and he has received a generous full bursary up until his A levels. He has built his life and his success on this education, supported to the end by the bursary funded by the same schools and parents he is now trying to destroy. It pains me as my children receive 50% bursaries from a brilliant local school. We've worked incredibly hard to cover the remaining 50% but it has been worth it, seeing how my children blossomed. We had a very different experience in their primary state schools, including bullying and racism. We don't live in a great area. We have just been told that the school will probably reduce all their bursaries to be able to lower the fees for the non bursary parents who are now struggling because of the VAT introduction. I don't know what the future for my children is now and they have so many close friends where they are. They are both academically brilliant and work very hard - hence the bursaries were granted. I feel so depressed that, from what is becoming obvious, they won't be able to benefit from the generosity of bursaries the same way Kier Starmer did when he was a child ..

Oh have a day off love. Your tax breaks are going, you’ll cope.

I’m delighted that we have a cabinet whose edu action roughly mirrors the education of the people of the country they represent.

ApplesOrangesBananas · 07/08/2024 19:02

You are not being unreasonable. Vast majority of selfish lefties on here don’t seem to care about the impact this will have on children’s mental health when they have to be pulled out of school and the disruption it will cause to their education. These people don’t give a toss about the children and just want to drag everyone down to the bottom with them because they can’t afford it. The children are at the heart of this, and anybody who takes joy in the fact that a parent can no longer afford what they deem best for their child should rot in hell.

Sosospring · 07/08/2024 19:03

AnnieSnap · 07/08/2024 18:58

Oh FFS! He won a place to a Grammer School (the system at the time). When it changed to a Private School, he was offered a bursary to remain there because his parents couldn’t have afforded the fees. Should he have had his education disrupted by being moved? Just pay the bloody VAT. No doubt that’s your gripe 🙄

Sorry... So his education shouldn't have been disrupted because the school changed and his parents couldn't afford the fees... But my children's education can be disrupted because the government changed the legislation, increasing the cost and I can no longer afford the fees... Can you explain please? My son is due to sit GCSE this year... Explain please?

ApplesOrangesBananas · 07/08/2024 19:03

Qwertys · 07/08/2024 18:59

I actually laughed aloud at this ridiculous post.

You actually laughed aloud and took delight in somebody else’s misfortune… what a grotesque human you are.

Sosospring · 07/08/2024 19:04

And why didn't he move to a free state sixth form? Lots of people move for the sixth form?

CurlewKate · 07/08/2024 19:04

@bigschoolsdilemma "Our kids are very upset and already "hate labour" and think the government is punishing them and don't understand why"

Yes- sadly kids do believe the bollocks their parents tell them.

venus7 · 07/08/2024 19:08

Qwertys · 07/08/2024 18:59

I actually laughed aloud at this ridiculous post.

Me too....surely it's the parent's responsibility to reassure their entitled children that it's not reasonable to 'hate labour', by which I presume you mean The Labour Party, rather than work.

CurlewKate · 07/08/2024 19:09

@Sosospring "And why didn't he move to a free state sixth form? Lots of people move for the sixth form"

Because he was 16?

Claphambunny · 07/08/2024 19:11

Shaketherombooga · 07/08/2024 19:01

Oh have a day off love. Your tax breaks are going, you’ll cope.

I’m delighted that we have a cabinet whose edu action roughly mirrors the education of the people of the country they represent.

Yes, we have Angela Raynor who left the school at 15 or 16 with no GCSEs leading the country to greatness... Is it silly to want our leaders to be educated? I find the fact she is so prominent shocking. I mean... I don't want them to have phd but at least basic education?

Sosospring · 07/08/2024 19:13

CurlewKate · 07/08/2024 19:09

@Sosospring "And why didn't he move to a free state sixth form? Lots of people move for the sixth form"

Because he was 16?

Yes, this is when people move to sixth form. They decide at this stage. The same way Starmer joined the socialists when he was 16. So he was old enough to decide to join the Young Socialists but not old enough to know it somehow clashed with his application for a bursary to a private school...? Mind boggles...

Tiredalwaystired · 07/08/2024 19:18

ApplesOrangesBananas · 07/08/2024 19:02

You are not being unreasonable. Vast majority of selfish lefties on here don’t seem to care about the impact this will have on children’s mental health when they have to be pulled out of school and the disruption it will cause to their education. These people don’t give a toss about the children and just want to drag everyone down to the bottom with them because they can’t afford it. The children are at the heart of this, and anybody who takes joy in the fact that a parent can no longer afford what they deem best for their child should rot in hell.

as I’ve said on many threads before I feel very sorry for year 10 and 11 kids or sixth formers (although it’s quite a short period - most parents will find a way to cover the difference for fiveterms or less, even if it means a loan in some cases). There is a natural break point after GCSE and younger kids will not suffer irreversibly if they HAVE to move schools. It’s a short term issue for a small cohort. The exception to this is the SEN population where there isn’t decent state provision. If this money goes to improve that then it will be a good thing.

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