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To marvel at privately educated Keir Starmer's hypocrisy?

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Bursarysadness · 06/08/2024 16:03

Both Kier Starmer and his wife are privately educated. Kier's senior school converted into a private school in the second year of his attendance and he has received a generous full bursary up until his A levels. He has built his life and his success on this education, supported to the end by the bursary funded by the same schools and parents he is now trying to destroy. It pains me as my children receive 50% bursaries from a brilliant local school. We've worked incredibly hard to cover the remaining 50% but it has been worth it, seeing how my children blossomed. We had a very different experience in their primary state schools, including bullying and racism. We don't live in a great area. We have just been told that the school will probably reduce all their bursaries to be able to lower the fees for the non bursary parents who are now struggling because of the VAT introduction. I don't know what the future for my children is now and they have so many close friends where they are. They are both academically brilliant and work very hard - hence the bursaries were granted. I feel so depressed that, from what is becoming obvious, they won't be able to benefit from the generosity of bursaries the same way Kier Starmer did when he was a child ..

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BIWI · 07/08/2024 15:12

Heidi75 · 07/08/2024 14:27

Of course he's a hypocrite, it's a pre-requisite of being in the Labour party, champagne socialists who require you to do as you are told and not as they do. The whole policy is ill thought out and is nothing more than spite and envy and will not achieve what they say it will. They will actually damage education with it and I would be surprised if it even happens given the massive stumbling blocks they face to get it through, not least that it contravenes 2 points of the ECHR, of which the UK is still a part.

Ha ha ha ha! I needed that laugh this afternoon. Cheers!

CurlewKate · 07/08/2024 15:13

@Clavinova Members of the Labour Party have the same gestation period as everyone else....

TruthorDie · 07/08/2024 15:14

Sunnyside78 · 07/08/2024 14:23

One thing that really does annoy me, is those parents who are very wealthy yet send their kids to state school and clsim it is some sort of virtuous act...but in reality they are just using up another state funded resource....and yet when the VAT comes into effect - they still won't be contributing anything more! How are they more virtuous than private school parents?

Private school parents are virtuous 🤣🤣🤣

senmama007 · 07/08/2024 15:15

@BIBI clearly running out of counterarguments. Probably researching furiously to check with ECHR is...

BIWI · 07/08/2024 15:17

Who is @BIBI?!

And what on earth does your last sentence mean? Kind of all falls apart if you can't a) spell people's names properly or b) write a properly grammatical sentence

More LOLing here Grin

Clavinova · 07/08/2024 15:18

CurlewKate · 07/08/2024 15:13

@Clavinova Members of the Labour Party have the same gestation period as everyone else....

20 years?? I was replying to;

DP and I didn't choose where to live on the basis of the daughter we would have 20 years later.

senmama007 · 07/08/2024 15:23

Please eat some carbs @BIWI. Might help...

BIWI · 07/08/2024 15:24

I don't need help, thanks @senmama007

I'm getting enough laughs from your posts as it is!

HPFA · 07/08/2024 15:28

Lifelover16 · 07/08/2024 14:31

My point is that he has the resources to move to be near the better schools. Many of us don’t.

So people don't have the resources to move near "better schools" but they can afford private schools?

Obviously you can't quantify how many people are only going private because their state schools are terrible. But there are private schools everywhere in the county I live in even though almost all the state secondaries are fine. So it certainly doesn't apply to everyone.

And presumably all the many parents who live near these terrible schools who can't afford to either move or pay for private education are allowed to be supportive of Labour policy without being accused of hypocrisy or anything else?

Lifelover16 · 07/08/2024 15:33

HPFA · 07/08/2024 15:28

So people don't have the resources to move near "better schools" but they can afford private schools?

Obviously you can't quantify how many people are only going private because their state schools are terrible. But there are private schools everywhere in the county I live in even though almost all the state secondaries are fine. So it certainly doesn't apply to everyone.

And presumably all the many parents who live near these terrible schools who can't afford to either move or pay for private education are allowed to be supportive of Labour policy without being accused of hypocrisy or anything else?

The thread is about Starmer’s hypocrisy.
Not “many parents” who of course can support any policy they choose.

HPFA · 07/08/2024 15:36

This all does bring back memories of the grammar school debates back in 2017.

If you'd gone to a grammar school yourself you weren't allowed to oppose them, if you'd failed the 11+ you couldn't oppose them because you were jealous, if your kids went to a comp you weren't allowed because you "must" live in an expensive catchment area.

Probably at the grand old age of 16 Keir Starmer did let his desire to stay in a familiar environment with his mates override his political principles. What a moral reprobate!

WhysEverythingABallAche · 07/08/2024 15:43

I’d like to know how many Labour DC are currently attending private schools.

CurlewKate · 07/08/2024 15:43

@Lifelover16
"The thread is about Starmer’s hypocrisy.
Not “many parents” who of course can support any policy they choose."

What do you think he should have done to avoid the charges of hypocrisy?

Genevieva · 07/08/2024 15:46

The history of his school’s status demonstrates the more flexible landscape that existed in education in the mid-20th century. His school was founded by a private individual, who gave it to the Church of England, that then opted to participate in the voluntary aided school scheme, meaning that it received some of its funding from the state and did not need to charge fees. As state interference increased, it opted to find itself independently.

It was quite common for people to set up schools in unwanted large houses. Many were encouraged by the government to apply for charitable status because the giving of education, like healthcare, is traditionally deemed to be an inherently charitable act. Other independent schools took up government schemes to keep school fees down and access wide, such as the grant maintained and assisted places schemes, both of which have been phased out. It’s a shame, as these were very cost effective for the government and enabled a more dynamic educational landscape. For any sector to thrive, a level of competition helps. I’d love to see more opportunity for different models of school. Free schools were meant to do that, but now all schools have to join a MAT and become factories that treat children like sausages in an extruding machine.

5128gap · 07/08/2024 15:50

WhysEverythingABallAche · 07/08/2024 15:43

I’d like to know how many Labour DC are currently attending private schools.

What's a "Labour DC"? Child of a cabinet member? Child of an MP? Child of one of the 360,000 party members? Child of anyone who voted Labour? Child who is showing early signs of being left leaning, but is not yet 18? Because I'd imagine theres a few. However, as long as they're happy to pay VAT, does it matter?

Bursarysadness · 07/08/2024 15:55

Didn't Diane Abbott send her son private? A pupil at City of London school. Hypocrisy much?

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Bursarysadness · 07/08/2024 16:00

She was quoted in the media saying that there were no good schools in Hackney and her son needed good education. Super LOL

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Heidi75 · 07/08/2024 16:01

5128gap · 07/08/2024 14:40

Why would 'champagne socialists', if by that you mean the wealthy, successful and currently most powerful man in the country Sir Keir Starmer, be envious of people who can just about scrape together private school fees provided there is no VAT added? Just wondering.

Not his envy but pandering to the union masses who prop him up and those who he appeals to.

CurlewKate · 07/08/2024 16:03

@Bursarysadness Didn't Diane Abbott send her son private? A pupil at City of London school. Hypocrisy much?"
I agree. I think that was appalling behaviour. What were you expecting people to say?

CurlewKate · 07/08/2024 16:04

@Heidi75 What's a champagne socialist?

Heidi75 · 07/08/2024 16:05

CurlewKate · 07/08/2024 15:01

@Heidi75 "Of course he's a hypocrite, it's a pre-requisite of being in the Labour party, champagne socialists who require you to do as you are told and not as they do."

Please could you say a bit more about this? For example, what do you mean by "champagne socialist"?

I don't need to say anything more about it. It's quite self-explanatory.

Bursarysadness · 07/08/2024 16:06

Exactly @CurlewKate. It's easy to preach when you live in a naice super expensive area with great state schools like Starmer does. Not so easy when you don't, right?

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Heidi75 · 07/08/2024 16:08

CurlewKate · 07/08/2024 16:04

@Heidi75 What's a champagne socialist?

Really? 😂

5128gap · 07/08/2024 16:10

Bursarysadness · 07/08/2024 15:55

Didn't Diane Abbott send her son private? A pupil at City of London school. Hypocrisy much?

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Has she been quoted as saying she disagrees with private education whilst using it herself? If so that is indeed hypocrisy. However she may be a person who is supportive of Labour and not against private education. Such people do exist. Many have posted on these threads. They manage to vote Labour, use private schools and sometimes even support the VAT. Or sometimes they dont but still support Labour overall. It is after all just one issue is a pretty broad manifesto.

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