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To contact this jazz band and tell them to stop using this word?

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FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:25

There’s a local jazz event taking place soon and the bio describes the band as “Dixieland”. I remember the Dixie Chicks apologising and changing their name.

The word derives from the American South and is also used in a Confederate song. Here’s the full Wikipedia page for “Dixie”. Basically, its usage is racist.

I was surprised to see the word at all but also not surprised as I live in a very white Reform/Tory voting area.

AIBU to contact the band and ask them to change their description? Or leave them alone? I know what the reaction will be if I do contact them: just music blah blah been a traditional word for this style of jazz blah blah world gone mad woke blah joy thief etc. But I see no reason to use this word in this day and age.

WWYD?

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Pussycat22 · 03/08/2024 19:07

Oh God .

petermaddog · 03/08/2024 19:18

Dixie may be derived from Jeremiah Dixon, one of the surveyors of the Mason–Dixon line,

Mason–Dixon line - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason%E2%80%93Dixon_line

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 03/08/2024 19:25

godmum56 · 03/08/2024 17:50

eucryl tooth powder, mint flavoured Ajax.

That was marketed forc mokers! The stuff I vaguely remember was Gibbs Dentitice:

From www.madsensmemories.com/memories/2018/10/16/foaming-gibbs-dentifrice
It came in a round tin with a dome-like tin cover, and looked like a cylindrical cake of pink soap sitting on the base. You had to brush a wet toothbrush across it a few times to whip up a foam, rather as men did with shaving cream. With this somewhat gritty pink foam you cleaned your teeth.
I must have used it thousands of times as a child. It cost about 7.5d in the old money, or about 3p for a tin. It had flavour added, a sweet, slightly soapy, slightly sickly taste to it, and it was pink.

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 03/08/2024 19:28

ThatOneUncomfortableEyelash · 03/08/2024 17:59

I'm willing to bet the sneaky buggers were giving you cod liver oil mixed with concentrated orange juice. I've heard tell of such a monstrosity, at least.

🤮🤢
I hate fish!!

PointsSouth · 03/08/2024 20:01

Dixieland - one word - just refers to music that originated in the southern states. It's not intrinsically racist.

The Dixie Chicks didn't drop the word because it's racist. They dropped it because White Southerners (who probably are racist) were co-opting them an example of white southern culture. And they didn't want to be identified with that because they don't feel they are, specifically.

I don't think this is really a problem for a band playing at a fete in Bridlington.

While we're at it though "rock'n'roll" started as slang for fucking. So that's gotta go.

NewGreenDuck · 03/08/2024 20:05

@PointsSouth what do you have against Bridlington?

PointsSouth · 03/08/2024 20:07

NewGreenDuck · 03/08/2024 20:05

@PointsSouth what do you have against Bridlington?

I was trying to think of somewhere that was very unlike New Orleans.

Though I hear the Bridlington Mardi Gras is getting wilder and wilder. The things people will do for Smarties.

NewGreenDuck · 03/08/2024 20:09

I agree that it is very unlike New Orleans!

Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 20:18

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 03/08/2024 17:37

As a child in hospital, when Florence was a lass, we were given some orange concoction, almost a concentrated version of squash. It had a uniquely weird taste.
In other news, toothpaste also came in a tin - less of a paste, more a compacted powder that you had to moisten!

I spent a lot of time in hospital as a child. That was something euphemistically named ‘baby orange’ and as I remember served up in white ceramic jugs !! I also remember blue plastic bed covers spread out at mealtimes for those who were bedbound, massive ‘meatballs’ and baked beans served on Wednesdays and fish, chips and peas served every Friday !!. Saturday was Scouse - it was Alder Hey in Liverpool !! The toothpaste I remember as being pink powder - you had to wet your toothbrush and scrub it around the surface of the tin - was called ‘Euthymol’. Shuddering at the memory of both.

Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 20:19

StellaLaBella · 03/08/2024 18:40

I've lived in New Orleans for a long time, you would be laughed out of town if you launched a campaign to rename Dixieland Jazz OP. If you are interested in the history of Dixie and Dixieland, I will tell you the consensus of local historians is the term is more likely to have evolved from the usage of "dix" for $10 notes by French speaking traders prior to the Civil War. NO had a sound, well respected banking system/currency, thanks to a booming commerce. In the 1800s it was one of the busiest ports in the US due to many factors such being one of the cheapest ports for ships to enter, proximity to South America and the Caribbean, and of course being the mouth of the Mississippi. The song Dixie then became one of the popular Confederate marching songs, so it became associated with all of the states in the confederacy and therefore associated with pro-slavery and the Mason-Dixon line, which was the demarcation of the slave owing states and the free soil states. Dixieland jazz really didn't emerge until the beginning of the 20th century and it was born in New Orleans, Louis Armstrong being one of the most famous Dixieland artists and of course, he was born and bred here.

So yeah, this is not the hill

Thank you.

StellaLaBella · 03/08/2024 20:46

PointsSouth · 03/08/2024 20:07

I was trying to think of somewhere that was very unlike New Orleans.

Though I hear the Bridlington Mardi Gras is getting wilder and wilder. The things people will do for Smarties.

HA! I applaud the Bridlingtonians' standards, Smarties are infinitely better than the cheap plastic tat we lose our minds for over here 😉

ThatOneUncomfortableEyelash · 03/08/2024 21:39

StellaLaBella · 03/08/2024 20:46

HA! I applaud the Bridlingtonians' standards, Smarties are infinitely better than the cheap plastic tat we lose our minds for over here 😉

When you say "over here", that makes me wonder — what's coming to mind for you when you hear "Smarties"?

PinkyPonkyLittleDonkey · 04/08/2024 01:48

Oh bless you op. You thought you’d be getting brownie points for being our WHITE knight in shining armour 😆

StellaLaBella · 04/08/2024 03:51

ThatOneUncomfortableEyelash · 03/08/2024 21:39

When you say "over here", that makes me wonder — what's coming to mind for you when you hear "Smarties"?

By over here I mean New Orleans (I made an earlier post about the history of Dixie and Dixieland) and by Smarties, I mean the Cadbury's ones and not the crappy sugar US Smarties 😁

ThatOneUncomfortableEyelash · 04/08/2024 04:11

StellaLaBella · 04/08/2024 03:51

By over here I mean New Orleans (I made an earlier post about the history of Dixie and Dixieland) and by Smarties, I mean the Cadbury's ones and not the crappy sugar US Smarties 😁

Oh thank God, you meant proper Smarties Grin (Not Cadbury's, tho, but it's an understandable mistake.) Otherwise I might be mildly concerned for the well-being of your taste buds Wink

Incidentally, when I gave Smarties to my pet rats, they carefully removed the (obviously inedible) outer shell of the nut/bean/whatever they thought it was, before eating just the chocolate insides. Fuckin adorable imo Grin

InWalksBarberalla · 04/08/2024 07:06

I'm mainly here for the fellow orange triggered migraine sufferers.
But I would like to know how the OP went if she did ring the band to tell them not to describe their music style using the commonly used term for describing said music style.

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 04/08/2024 07:38

InWalksBarberalla · 04/08/2024 07:06

I'm mainly here for the fellow orange triggered migraine sufferers.
But I would like to know how the OP went if she did ring the band to tell them not to describe their music style using the commonly used term for describing said music style.

How do you know your fellow sufferers are orange??!! 😁
And yes, @FauxWhiteOrchid , have you 'phoned them yet? There is a trench of people waiting with bated breath...

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 04/08/2024 08:18

Who are you to say what they can call themselves?

BTW "Dixie" was Abraham Lincoln's favourite tune. He asked the band to play it when he visited the Union Army in Richmond.

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 04/08/2024 08:21

@FinalInstructionstotheAudience You can still get tooth powder in a tin. I use it. My DCs say it tastes revolting.

ll09sm · 04/08/2024 08:29

Is this an act for your good deed calculator OP?

Is it so that you can feel all virtuous and superior for being such a great person?

Virtue signalling knows no bounds.

ll09sm · 04/08/2024 08:32

StellaLaBella · 03/08/2024 18:40

I've lived in New Orleans for a long time, you would be laughed out of town if you launched a campaign to rename Dixieland Jazz OP. If you are interested in the history of Dixie and Dixieland, I will tell you the consensus of local historians is the term is more likely to have evolved from the usage of "dix" for $10 notes by French speaking traders prior to the Civil War. NO had a sound, well respected banking system/currency, thanks to a booming commerce. In the 1800s it was one of the busiest ports in the US due to many factors such being one of the cheapest ports for ships to enter, proximity to South America and the Caribbean, and of course being the mouth of the Mississippi. The song Dixie then became one of the popular Confederate marching songs, so it became associated with all of the states in the confederacy and therefore associated with pro-slavery and the Mason-Dixon line, which was the demarcation of the slave owing states and the free soil states. Dixieland jazz really didn't emerge until the beginning of the 20th century and it was born in New Orleans, Louis Armstrong being one of the most famous Dixieland artists and of course, he was born and bred here.

So yeah, this is not the hill

Oh dear. Let that be a lesson folks that trying to find offence everywhere to show how progressive you are makes you look like an uninformed idiot.

Longdueachange · 04/08/2024 08:36

I think its odd to be offended on behalf of Americans and I think its ott to ask them to change. The region has connections with racism, but there is a lot of history there also that isnt connected with racism and in its about the music for them. If you don't like their name then don't go to their shows.

Piglet89 · 04/08/2024 08:48

@FinalInstructionstotheAudience as a NI Catholic: I mean, yeah, I would ban Orange marches if I could, with numbers like “Kick the Pope” and disruption of half the province during marching season, plus the inherent Catholic-hating in the Orange Order.

Wideskye · 04/08/2024 09:30

Dixieland jazz is a genre of music

Should I be worried my neighbours Mr and Mrs Dixie are racist?

WaverOfSticks · 04/08/2024 12:19

Ah, but can some of you people eat orange Smarties?