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To contact this jazz band and tell them to stop using this word?

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FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:25

There’s a local jazz event taking place soon and the bio describes the band as “Dixieland”. I remember the Dixie Chicks apologising and changing their name.

The word derives from the American South and is also used in a Confederate song. Here’s the full Wikipedia page for “Dixie”. Basically, its usage is racist.

I was surprised to see the word at all but also not surprised as I live in a very white Reform/Tory voting area.

AIBU to contact the band and ask them to change their description? Or leave them alone? I know what the reaction will be if I do contact them: just music blah blah been a traditional word for this style of jazz blah blah world gone mad woke blah joy thief etc. But I see no reason to use this word in this day and age.

WWYD?

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NewGreenDuck · 03/08/2024 13:52

Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 13:42

Nope. I associate it with the big bands of the 1930s and 40s. I associate it with the talents of people like Louis Armstrong, John Coltrane, Duke Ellington, Charlie Parker, Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday.

And Count Basie, Oscar Peterson, Charlie Parker, Lester Young, Artie Shaw, and, as I mentioned above Django Reinhardt. To name but a few. Just edited to say you mentioned Charlie Parker. Sorry!

MrHarleyQuin · 03/08/2024 13:54

Hakunatomato · 03/08/2024 12:10

There is a chain of chicken shops in London called Dixie Chicken. Perhaps you would like to contact them and TELL them to change their name. You bring a whole new level to recreational indignation. HTH.

Yeah, a random chicken shop does it so it must be ok. 🙄

Riapia · 03/08/2024 14:00

If the OP wishes to be offended then nobody has the right to prevent it.
Everyone should have the right to be offended. This doesn’t give her the right to try to force others to accept her beliefs.

blueberryforest · 03/08/2024 14:02

I think you'd be better off minding your own business. I'd assume the band knows more about the music they play and how best to describe and promote it than you do. You'll only make yourself look foolish, imo, if you try to 'educate' them on this matter.

As an aside, I wouldn't use the band formerly known as The Dixie Chicks to inform any decision in my life.

AllMyExesWearRolexes · 03/08/2024 14:47

@NewGreenDuck
Close, but Mark Knopfler is the best guitarist ever

ginasevern · 03/08/2024 15:00

@Genevieva

I agree with you. The term "Dixie" either relates to the Mason Dixon Line or possibly the French for ten, which is "dix". Dix was used on ten dollar bank notes in Louisiana and they became known as "dixies". The term soon came to mean the South in general. People are divided over which theory is right, but it is almost certain that one of them is.

FarmFlowers · 03/08/2024 15:05

Why are you living in a white area, with white people if you look at them with such disdain?

Are you chained there? What sort of person is too weak to leave an area they despise? You must either be as weak as water, as dim as a badger's arse, or as pathetic as a broken umbrella if you live somewhere you pour such scorn on.
No, children, husband, work is not an excuse-pack them all up. people do, they move thousands of miles to get away from an area that they despise.

Or is that you like living there, taking advantage of it, while sneering at it?

I imagine you have very little else going on to make you feel superior and the only way you can get that feeling is by looking down on others and imagining yourself-and yes, it is all in your imagination-to be better.

No, don't tell them anything based on your research of reading a Wiki page. If you do, I hope they print out your email-complete with email address and have it posted on to t shirts.

Get a life!

Iwasafool · 03/08/2024 15:24

BorsetshireBanality · 03/08/2024 12:00

I used to go to Jazz Festivals in the mid 90s, and any “Dixieland” jazz band would have been a small band of late-middle-aged white old fart types wearing waistcoats and straw boaters, with the obligatory trombonist. The same old shite music watered down and played by old codgers who got together at an adult education class somewhere in suburbia.

I’m mixed race and I used to think that these white men were appropriating what started out as a black/mixed race art form that originated in the American deep South, and watering it down for English suburbia, and found it mildly annoying/offensive. My white friends couldn’t get why I felt this way when I expressed this opinion!

It’s now 30 years later, and any audience for this music is dying out. At the same time “Dixie” is associated with brainless Donald Trump reporters and red-neck white supremacists.

Nowadays, I would rather be in the audience for young musicians being, playing something with more creativity and genuine improvisation. I wouldn’t waste my time telling a bunch of old farts they were a bunch of old farts! I’m saving my anger for the new breed of white supremacists who feel emboldened by the likes of Trump, Farage et al.

However OP, if you want to tell them why you find the term offensive, do it.

If you were going to Jazz Festivals 30 years ago you are probably a boring old fart yourself.

Iwasafool · 03/08/2024 15:28

Purplebunnie · 03/08/2024 12:39

I agree, ban oranges, the give me migraines as well

Hi fellow sufferer, people generally don't believe me so it is nice to meet someone who knows the pain of oranges although I'm sorry you suffer as well.

Shall we start a ban oranges campaign?

Iwasafool · 03/08/2024 15:37

godmum56 · 03/08/2024 13:21

another vote to ban oranges, think of the Orange Free State!

Good point. I'm Catholic, my "orange" mother liked nothing more than a orange parade. I used to ask her why as basically they wanted her children's blood but she just said it was her heritage and she loved it. No idea why she married a Catholic when Ian Paisley seemed to be her pin up.

Orange has some bad associations for me and that's not even mentioning that phase in the 60s when everything seemed to be orange, clothes, wallpaper, Tango, make up, everything, Well actually I just mentioned it!

CustardySergeant · 03/08/2024 15:44

Iwasafool · Today 15:37
"Orange has some bad associations for me and that's not even mentioning that phase in the 60s when everything seemed to be orange, clothes, wallpaper, Tango, make up, everything, Well actually I just mentioned it!"

Don't have nightmares! 😉

To contact this jazz band and tell them to stop using this word?
Iwasafool · 03/08/2024 15:53

CustardySergeant · 03/08/2024 15:44

Iwasafool · Today 15:37
"Orange has some bad associations for me and that's not even mentioning that phase in the 60s when everything seemed to be orange, clothes, wallpaper, Tango, make up, everything, Well actually I just mentioned it!"

Don't have nightmares! 😉

Edited

It was mad but I can't work out if the orange outrage came before or after the purple outrage. They were strange days back then.

StormingNorman · 03/08/2024 16:01

I had no idea the word was racist. I always thought it was a reference to the southern states of America. I hadn’t heard about the band changing their name either though.

Miffylou · 03/08/2024 16:10

Hakunatomato · 03/08/2024 12:10

There is a chain of chicken shops in London called Dixie Chicken. Perhaps you would like to contact them and TELL them to change their name. You bring a whole new level to recreational indignation. HTH.

I love the phrase "recreational indignation"! Thanks, I’ll be using it.

BorsetshireBanality · 03/08/2024 16:13

Iwasafool · 03/08/2024 15:24

If you were going to Jazz Festivals 30 years ago you are probably a boring old fart yourself.

Yep
Boring, old and lots of farts!

TheMithrasDirective · 03/08/2024 16:36

Ilovelurchers · 03/08/2024 13:37

Millions of Americans also have no problem with Donald Trump as their president. Doesn't mean we have to agree.

No, but it does mean you have to tolerate them and they have to tolerate you and you can't have everything your own way.

This urge to censor, silence and edit the things (and people) one doesn't like really bloody stinks.

MrsSquirrel · 03/08/2024 16:45

Hakunatomato · 03/08/2024 12:10

There is a chain of chicken shops in London called Dixie Chicken. Perhaps you would like to contact them and TELL them to change their name. You bring a whole new level to recreational indignation. HTH.

There is a chain of supermarkets in the southeastern US called Winn-Dixie. They have hundreds of stores. Maybe someone should be writing to them?

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 03/08/2024 16:55

Iwasafool · 03/08/2024 15:53

It was mad but I can't work out if the orange outrage came before or after the purple outrage. They were strange days back then.

Still better than the avocado bathroom suite...

Boomer55 · 03/08/2024 16:57

Elvis sung about Dixieland, as did Joan Baez - 1970’s. I don’t remember anyone getting offended.🙄

Cherry8809 · 03/08/2024 17:01

OP, why don’t you start your own jazz band and you can call it whatever you like 😊

ThatOneUncomfortableEyelash · 03/08/2024 17:02

Iwasafool · 03/08/2024 15:37

Good point. I'm Catholic, my "orange" mother liked nothing more than a orange parade. I used to ask her why as basically they wanted her children's blood but she just said it was her heritage and she loved it. No idea why she married a Catholic when Ian Paisley seemed to be her pin up.

Orange has some bad associations for me and that's not even mentioning that phase in the 60s when everything seemed to be orange, clothes, wallpaper, Tango, make up, everything, Well actually I just mentioned it!

Did they have Tango in the sixties?!

Always felt like more of an 80s/90s thing to me — somehow more modern than Sunkist, or Nazi Coke substitute Fanta, or orangeade made by companies like Barr.

So I looked it up and — Tango's a fifties brand?? And only just — 1950! Their marketing department did a bloody good job on me, didn't they?

Sunkist though? Not until 1979! But it feels so much older to me… I can so easily picture a fifties-style bottle of Sunkist. And while Fanta is technically older than Tango see previous strikeout apparently the orange flavour of Fanta didn't come out until 1966. But Orangina is apparently way earlier, going back to the 1930s (but as a kid in the 90s, I only ever saw it in France). Generic orangeade presumably older, with the 19th century fashion for flavoured fizzy waters.

Thank you for provoking a rabbit-hole dive; I enjoyed that Grin

Iwasafool · 03/08/2024 17:12

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 03/08/2024 16:55

Still better than the avocado bathroom suite...

OMG I'd forgotten than one. Now I resisted the orange, stayed away from the purple but I did want an avacado bathroom suite. Poverty saved me from that one.

Iwasafool · 03/08/2024 17:14

ThatOneUncomfortableEyelash · 03/08/2024 17:02

Did they have Tango in the sixties?!

Always felt like more of an 80s/90s thing to me — somehow more modern than Sunkist, or Nazi Coke substitute Fanta, or orangeade made by companies like Barr.

So I looked it up and — Tango's a fifties brand?? And only just — 1950! Their marketing department did a bloody good job on me, didn't they?

Sunkist though? Not until 1979! But it feels so much older to me… I can so easily picture a fifties-style bottle of Sunkist. And while Fanta is technically older than Tango see previous strikeout apparently the orange flavour of Fanta didn't come out until 1966. But Orangina is apparently way earlier, going back to the 1930s (but as a kid in the 90s, I only ever saw it in France). Generic orangeade presumably older, with the 19th century fashion for flavoured fizzy waters.

Thank you for provoking a rabbit-hole dive; I enjoyed that Grin

I honestly feel like we had Sunkist as kids in the 50s. Don't know how I've got that one so wrong.

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 03/08/2024 17:17

And the teaser ads 'the future's bright, the future's Orange'

godmum56 · 03/08/2024 17:18

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 03/08/2024 16:55

Still better than the avocado bathroom suite...

or that horrible surgical pink