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To contact this jazz band and tell them to stop using this word?

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FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:25

There’s a local jazz event taking place soon and the bio describes the band as “Dixieland”. I remember the Dixie Chicks apologising and changing their name.

The word derives from the American South and is also used in a Confederate song. Here’s the full Wikipedia page for “Dixie”. Basically, its usage is racist.

I was surprised to see the word at all but also not surprised as I live in a very white Reform/Tory voting area.

AIBU to contact the band and ask them to change their description? Or leave them alone? I know what the reaction will be if I do contact them: just music blah blah been a traditional word for this style of jazz blah blah world gone mad woke blah joy thief etc. But I see no reason to use this word in this day and age.

WWYD?

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Midnightalready · 03/08/2024 13:17

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:32

Interesting that 86% have voted that I am BU.

Because we're all so bored with the constant race-baiting and purity spirals.

Ponoka7 · 03/08/2024 13:18

It's been more or less established that the song came from one of the surveyors names, Jeremiah Dixon. There was documentation of the term being used at least twenty years before the Minstral song. Dixie Jazz was self identification. So I'm on the fence.

Backscuttle · 03/08/2024 13:18

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SaintHonoria · 03/08/2024 13:20

Millions of Americans have no problem with the word Dixie. It's odd that some woman in the U.K. does.

Farm Aid

%3D
godmum56 · 03/08/2024 13:21

Purplebunnie · 03/08/2024 12:39

I agree, ban oranges, the give me migraines as well

another vote to ban oranges, think of the Orange Free State!

WaverOfSticks · 03/08/2024 13:24

Astonmaid · 03/08/2024 11:06

Dixieland (not Dixie) is the well-known name for a style of jazz music. You're being daft.

This basically...

NewGreenDuck · 03/08/2024 13:25

Does the orange ban extend to tangerines, satsumas, mandarins, as their names could be problematic?

AvocadoDevil · 03/08/2024 13:30

OP I think your mind might explode if you went to a country music concert and saw black people dancing with confederate flags (something I have seen a few times).

LoneHydrangea · 03/08/2024 13:31

I’d say you’re looking to find offence where there’s none to be had.

WaverOfSticks · 03/08/2024 13:32

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:50

It would help if there was an alternative name. But Dixie is ingrained in many people’s minds as a style of jazz but the meaning of the word isn’t.

But it's not called "Dixie Jazz", it's called "Dixieland Jazz".

You're trying so terribly hard to be offended about it, you're coming across as totally deranged...

Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 13:32

I think with some things you have to distinguish between whether offence is intended or not. It’s not the actual meaning of the word ‘Dixieland’ but how it is interpreted and you’re taking offence where none is meant. This type of jazz was developed by black artists. Why would you think they would be offended by a white jazz band using the name as originally intended. I think there’s enough racism going on without going looking for things to fit your interpretation of it.

Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 13:34

Somepeoplearesnippy · 03/08/2024 12:52

I'm sure if we tracked the derivation of many words they would refer to things that would now be considered unacceptable but languages, like attitudes, are constantly evolving. Just because a word meant one thing 20 or 100 or 500 years ago doesn't mean it means the same thing now. It won't even mean the same thing in two different countries or even two different areas of the same country.

You can't erase history from language.

This. Good post.

blackcherryconserve · 03/08/2024 13:37

Flumpie59 · 03/08/2024 10:55

Leave the band alone, I'm sure they don't mean any harm. Sadly we're now in a world full of haters, snowflakes and wokes and we're all too scared to use ANY words incase we ''offend'' someone.

This.

Ilovelurchers · 03/08/2024 13:37

SaintHonoria · 03/08/2024 13:20

Millions of Americans have no problem with the word Dixie. It's odd that some woman in the U.K. does.

Farm Aid

%3D

Millions of Americans also have no problem with Donald Trump as their president. Doesn't mean we have to agree.

faffadoodledo · 03/08/2024 13:39

My parents were into this kind of jazz in the 1950s. I think they labelled it as 'trad' jazz.

Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 13:42

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Nope. I associate it with the big bands of the 1930s and 40s. I associate it with the talents of people like Louis Armstrong, John Coltrane, Duke Ellington, Charlie Parker, Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday.

YankSplaining · 03/08/2024 13:43

TunnocksOrDeath · 03/08/2024 12:08

They know. You don't need to tell them. However as the various sub-genres of Jazz are numerous and distinctive, and there isn't really a widely-recognisable alternative they might think it would be difficult to effectively market themselves if they dropped 'Dixieland'. They could use 'Trad Jazz' but it's not as widely understood by potential clients (weddings, anniversaries, fetes etc).

Exactly - how would a band playing Dixieland jazz be unaware of this controversy?! They don’t live under a rock.

Ilovelurchers · 03/08/2024 13:43

All of you who are spitting venom at OP for objecting to a word which she feels has racist connotations - do you feel this about all language?

Is it, in your eyes, ever appropriate to say a word should not be used because it is racist?

Or is absolutely anything fine, however offensive, because we shouldn't "police language"?

(In my opinion, words are the most powerful thing in all the world, and the most capable of doing harm. If we fail to accept that, and our responsibility to use them kindly and compassionately, we are truly lost, I think......)

Growlybear83 · 03/08/2024 13:44

I'm sure the band would immediately do as you tell them, OP. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

DodoTired · 03/08/2024 13:45

Why is it your problem?

WaverOfSticks · 03/08/2024 13:45

Ilovelurchers · 03/08/2024 13:43

All of you who are spitting venom at OP for objecting to a word which she feels has racist connotations - do you feel this about all language?

Is it, in your eyes, ever appropriate to say a word should not be used because it is racist?

Or is absolutely anything fine, however offensive, because we shouldn't "police language"?

(In my opinion, words are the most powerful thing in all the world, and the most capable of doing harm. If we fail to accept that, and our responsibility to use them kindly and compassionately, we are truly lost, I think......)

You're getting all that from people telling her that "Dixieland" is different from Dixie?

Wow...

Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 13:46

Ilovelurchers · 03/08/2024 13:43

All of you who are spitting venom at OP for objecting to a word which she feels has racist connotations - do you feel this about all language?

Is it, in your eyes, ever appropriate to say a word should not be used because it is racist?

Or is absolutely anything fine, however offensive, because we shouldn't "police language"?

(In my opinion, words are the most powerful thing in all the world, and the most capable of doing harm. If we fail to accept that, and our responsibility to use them kindly and compassionately, we are truly lost, I think......)

It’s a matter of interpretation. There’s enough racist language to police without wading in on something that isn’t intended to be offensive, but descriptive of a certain established genre of music. Offence, in this case, is in the eye of the beholder. If you look hard enough for something to be offended by, you’ll usually find it.

mondaytosunday · 03/08/2024 13:47

My sister's best friend (in the US) is called Dixie. No one thinks anything of it. She's not from the south or any connection to it.

YankSplaining · 03/08/2024 13:49

Somepeoplearesnippy · 03/08/2024 12:52

I'm sure if we tracked the derivation of many words they would refer to things that would now be considered unacceptable but languages, like attitudes, are constantly evolving. Just because a word meant one thing 20 or 100 or 500 years ago doesn't mean it means the same thing now. It won't even mean the same thing in two different countries or even two different areas of the same country.

You can't erase history from language.

Case in point - “fag” in Britain 150 years ago, “fag” in Britain now, and “fag” in the US.

Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 13:49

Ilovelurchers · 03/08/2024 13:37

Millions of Americans also have no problem with Donald Trump as their president. Doesn't mean we have to agree.

It doesn’t mean we all have to agree. I don’t find anything offensive about the band labelling themselves Dixieland as it’s descriptive of a genre of jazz. I find the fact that the OP finds it offensive enough to warrant ‘telling’ the band to change the description bizarre and OTT, but she’s entitled to her opinion I suppose.