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To contact this jazz band and tell them to stop using this word?

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FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:25

There’s a local jazz event taking place soon and the bio describes the band as “Dixieland”. I remember the Dixie Chicks apologising and changing their name.

The word derives from the American South and is also used in a Confederate song. Here’s the full Wikipedia page for “Dixie”. Basically, its usage is racist.

I was surprised to see the word at all but also not surprised as I live in a very white Reform/Tory voting area.

AIBU to contact the band and ask them to change their description? Or leave them alone? I know what the reaction will be if I do contact them: just music blah blah been a traditional word for this style of jazz blah blah world gone mad woke blah joy thief etc. But I see no reason to use this word in this day and age.

WWYD?

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TunnocksOrDeath · 03/08/2024 12:08

They know. You don't need to tell them. However as the various sub-genres of Jazz are numerous and distinctive, and there isn't really a widely-recognisable alternative they might think it would be difficult to effectively market themselves if they dropped 'Dixieland'. They could use 'Trad Jazz' but it's not as widely understood by potential clients (weddings, anniversaries, fetes etc).

Hakunatomato · 03/08/2024 12:10

There is a chain of chicken shops in London called Dixie Chicken. Perhaps you would like to contact them and TELL them to change their name. You bring a whole new level to recreational indignation. HTH.

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 12:10

Well, I admit to my mistake because my user name is what I saw when I chose this name which is my plastic orchid on the windowsill. Wish I’d made my username “DustyCurtains”. But thank you for pointing this out. I’m telling you you’re seeing stuff which isn’t there and you’re telling me that I’m seeing stuff that isn’t there.

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LBFseBrom · 03/08/2024 12:11

heldinadream · 03/08/2024 10:30

I think it's positively a good idea for you to do that. They may know already, in which case they are choosing to ignore it at best. They may not know in which case you are giving them information. Language evolves. No-one would call a band n*er band, and this is - if at the moment more obscure - no better.
Good for you OP.

I agree with that.

FairyRings · 03/08/2024 12:12

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 12:10

Well, I admit to my mistake because my user name is what I saw when I chose this name which is my plastic orchid on the windowsill. Wish I’d made my username “DustyCurtains”. But thank you for pointing this out. I’m telling you you’re seeing stuff which isn’t there and you’re telling me that I’m seeing stuff that isn’t there.

Are you the same poster who ‘saw’ her coconut yoghurt yesterday?

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 12:13

Absolutely not. I wasn’t on Mumsnet yesterday.

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Sugarsugarahhoneyhoney · 03/08/2024 12:13

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:25

You do know that not everything on Wiki is true don't you?

Edingril · 03/08/2024 12:15

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:32

Interesting that 86% have voted that I am BU.

Why create a poll then be surprised when people vote? Why ask if you think you are right?

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 03/08/2024 12:18

I think there is danger in a sweeping away of words because they can be used badly.

Years ago the word spastic was used as an insult, so became effectively forbidden. There was a Spastic Society that had to change its name, and it’s a medical term for a specific symptom.
In bread, dough sometimes needs to be retarded. That’s a really hard word to use now- it’s hard to type.

But what matters is the intention of the speaker. It’s not the word. I can make ‘dope’ into an insult or a compliment.

Let words be and tackle attitudes.

Hateam · 03/08/2024 12:19

A very quick Google reveals the word go be in common usage in America.

MagneticSquirrel · 03/08/2024 12:23

YABU words can have more than one meaning. Mind your own business.

sunsetsandboardwalks · 03/08/2024 12:24

OpizpuHeuvHiyo · 03/08/2024 11:59

Yabu to ask them to change it. You are not in control of them.

You would be reasonable to ask questions.

I would be asking them to please explain whether their use of the word Dixie in their band title is because they directly embrace and approve of the philosophy behind that word (provide a link) or is it more that they don't really think about the experiences of marginalised people as being relevant to them?

But it's not their band name - it's a word used to describe a sub-type of jazz music Confused

Felaku · 03/08/2024 12:24

Do what you want, love, but if you're going to campaign that the show that contains the greatest hunk of 'em all-namely The Walking Dead and Daryl Dixon - be taken off the air because of your daft ideas I won't be happy.

Oh yeah, you are being very, very, very, unreasonable.

Why stop there, though? Isn't there are shop called Dixons? Perhaps you can protest outside it?

BIossomtoes · 03/08/2024 12:26

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:50

It would help if there was an alternative name. But Dixie is ingrained in many people’s minds as a style of jazz but the meaning of the word isn’t.

In which case it’s not offensive. Virtue signalling at its finest.

bergamotorange · 03/08/2024 12:27

Flumpie59 · 03/08/2024 10:55

Leave the band alone, I'm sure they don't mean any harm. Sadly we're now in a world full of haters, snowflakes and wokes and we're all too scared to use ANY words incase we ''offend'' someone.

This is hilarious Grin

Try not to panic @Flumpie59

crockofshite · 03/08/2024 12:27

What's an alternative way to describe that style of plinky plonk annoying noise?

diddl · 03/08/2024 12:28

InsensibleMe · 03/08/2024 11:12

‘The Night They Drove old Dixie Down’. (Bob Dylan &) The Band. One of my favourite songs. I understand the context, it’s a song from the Confederate perspective about losing the Civil War. I wouldn’t call it racist.

Levon Helm's vocals-outstanding!

NewGreenDuck · 03/08/2024 12:29

Do you object to gypsy jazz? If not, why not? If you do please explain.

user1492757084 · 03/08/2024 12:29

I had a pony called Dixie.
My friend who loves jazz has a Jack Russell called Dixie.
Dixieland is positive to me.

Just because many people with darker skin were immensely skilled at Dixieland Jazz doesn't make the term racist.
People of all skin colours played it.
Dixie originated when dollar notes in Southern states under French influence had dix written on them.
I would be proud to have forebears who made history playing Dixieland Jazz. It is known all over the World.

I can't find anything negative written about it.

mrsdineen2 · 03/08/2024 12:33

I envy your life OP.

Meadowfinch · 03/08/2024 12:36

I voted yabu because you don't have the right to 'tell' anyone to do anything.

You can ask them, you can explain why. But if you 'tell' them what to do, you deserve to be ignored. Your arrogance is on show.

And for the record, Dixieland to me is a style of jazz and I think you're being absurd.

PashaMinaMio · 03/08/2024 12:37

Zusammen · 03/08/2024 10:49

There’s some debate about whether the word Dixie is offensive. It’s still widely used in the USA. Just because one band decided not to use the word any more, doesn’t mean everyone has agreed it’s offensive. Honestly I think you should mind your own business, preaching is never welcomed.

I’m sitting on the fence a bit but I think this PP has a point.

pillofy · 03/08/2024 12:39

Hakunatomato · 03/08/2024 12:10

There is a chain of chicken shops in London called Dixie Chicken. Perhaps you would like to contact them and TELL them to change their name. You bring a whole new level to recreational indignation. HTH.

Just want to show my appreciation for the term 'recreational indignation'!

Purplebunnie · 03/08/2024 12:39

Iwasafool · 03/08/2024 11:30

I say ban oranges (they give me migraines so I might be biased.)

I agree, ban oranges, the give me migraines as well

Genevieva · 03/08/2024 12:40

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 11:19

It’s the association with the Confederate song Dixie’s Land that has made the word contentious.

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I don’t know the song, but it would have been using a pre-existing word with wider application. It’s also two words with an apostrophe S in the middle, so not even the same word the band is using. I think it’s ever so important to guard against manufacturing over-sensitivity and reserve the banning of words for genuinely offensive terms that are used to denigrate others.

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