To support nurses and teachers who strike over 5.5% pay offeroffer

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When the junior doctors were awarded 22%?

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Are you aware that school support staff have been offered £1,290 pro rata as a flat lump sum for the entire year? i doubt that even makes it a 2% rise.

And that recently they were paid money that they were legally owed after being wrongfully underpaid for years which was heavily taxed (it would not have been had it been paid appropriately) and also effected UC payments.

My nurse colleagues were so disappointed that there was not a mandate to strike last time there was a union vote. They didn’t understand why so many of their colleagues didn’t want to strike.

I think it's unreasonable to make demands twice above inflation. It will just end up meaning BoE Will say inflation is too high again and not reduce mortgage rates for everyone.

I am on agenda for change. It's above inflation and it's reasonable.
I'll be accepting my pay rise happily. We also had 5% and a lump sum last year so over the same two years we've a good increase.
Doctors haven't but I do think their offer is reasonable but understand they aren't happy

I know, this affected me. Also the paltry pay rise will be delayed with negotiations which usually go nowhere meaning we get back pay in nov/dec. Then it just goes towards the UC payment I lose in January. It’s ridiculous.

Where is this graph from because I am band 7 and I don’t make 50k. Is this including London uplift?

Junior doctors will not be getting 22% in a single pay rise. It’s a nice spin but half of that is on a promise.

22% is a headline figure.
it works out more like 11.6%

if you do the nurses pay inflation over the last few years it’s significantly more.

a side by side table would be interesting.

don’t believe all your fed re 22%

@Catza these are the top of the banding salaries as far as I can see. I'm midpoint on band 5 on £30639 (after 2 years), I won't go up to £34581 until my next increment after 4 years

They are top of band figures for england not london weighted.

But whilst 5.5% is better than they were saying in the previous government, in real terms for those on lower bands is not that great. Its likely to again bump up pension contribution weights, and im lower band 5 with SFE payments etc, i think its about £30 a month more after deductions.

Seems a bit disingenuous to compare the top band salaries as they are not what most people are on. I also just moved up the pay increase and have 3 more years to go to the top of the band. I assume by that point , any difference will be swallowed by CoL.

I just moved up to the next pay progression and got about 100 extra a month due to increase in pension contribution and student loan. Can’t lie those 3,5k looked good on paper but made a very small difference.
I agree, those on lower bands will be massively disadvantaged by pension contribution threshold. Not sure what the answer is really.

I’m on agenda for change. I think given the current climate 5.5% is fair. But they need to keep offering above inflation wages.

What do you earn if 1,290 is 2% of your wage?
Making 1% = 645 so
100% = 64500....really?

The unions seem happy with it, I’ve had a happy email from my union. I can’t imagine there will be strikes, not from nurses anyway.

The doctors pay scheme had not been updated or increased for years. They have their own separate one.
during this time the other NHS workers had organised bands, some increased to the rates of pay as their pay she ‘Agenda of change’ was reviewed each year. Some freezes aswell.

so the 22% is to try to adjust for over a decade of lagging PLUS making it appealing so we have staff. And we stop losing them to other countries.

with that context I think it’s reasonable.

I am a teacher. I thought last year’s pay award was reasonable and I voted against further strike action. I think 5.5% is also reasonable and will be happy to accept. However, salaries will need to keep increasing year on year as the profession will otherwise become less and less attractive to new recruits, given workload, lack of hybrid options etc.

Junior doctors is a different battle where I think they had to offer more.

If this becomes another teacher bash…. Teachers have also had below inflation pay rises for years. We get too many holidays… blah blah blah… become one then. Did I miss anything? It would be nice if everyone was seen as equal

As school support staff in Scotland, my pay offer worked out at roughly 25p per hour. What an insult. And like someone up thread, the pay rise is meant to happen in April but all the willy waving and posturing and arguing over it means we don't gey anything until the end of the year, meaning it mucks up tax and NI (and UC for those who claim).
A whole 25p per hour - whatever will I spend it on? And yet the powers that be still argue about it all.

Read the junior drs offer in full. It's nothing like 22%.

I'm a teacher, I think it's fair. I would like to see support staff getting the same.

The government needs to consider that teachers and health workers can't WFH, and this is going to impact recruitment and retention significantly in the coming years.

The government do seem to have broached the WFH issue slightly for teachers by saying PPA can now be taken at home. This could mean a school drop off or pick up a week.