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To ask why TA’s in uk are paid so little compared to Irish counterparts?

174 replies

Positivenancy · 25/07/2024 13:28

Just as the title says…SNA’s in Ireland are paid a starting salary of over 27k. Why are they only receiving 12-15k in the uk!! It’s terrible!

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Mary46 · 25/07/2024 16:23

Some gps are 70 euro in Dublin so the wages dont reflect that. Hard get a permanent sna job too here.

Sparrowball · 25/07/2024 16:24

For some comparison look at the cost of new and second hand homes in Ireland. 2 websites - Daft.ie and Myhome.ie

Look at Dublin first, then the commuter counties - Kildare, Laois, Louth, Meath.

Cheapest I think is Leitrim.

While wages are higher the cost of living is too compared to the UK, we're not being paid more for no reason. I think the only thing cheaper is our property tax compared to council tax and we don't pay for water (although it was attempted!). We pay private companies for refuse collection, mine is €25 p/m.

VaccineSticker · 25/07/2024 16:24

Janedoe82 · 25/07/2024 14:31

Yes but it isn't a universal service like the NHS- only free if on low wages.

Not derailing the thread, but a lot of people including myself have been paying privately to see a GP in the last 3-5 years because we have not been able to access one here (thank you NHS) and paid privately for a an operation because the waiting list was 2 years and I nearly ended up with sepsis because of it. (Thank you NHS again).
So yes, we w lot of us pay for healthcare in the UK whilst having to put up with high income tax. We are getting nothing. Low wages high tax and no health care and broken state school system.

Sparrowball · 25/07/2024 16:25

AvrielFinch · 25/07/2024 16:18

But if you are going to A and E it should be an emergency. Not something you go to see a GP about first.

People roll up here because they can't get an appointment with a GP, there's a huge shortage in many parts of the country.

DontGoBackForYourHat · 25/07/2024 16:45

DontGoBackForYourHat · 25/07/2024 16:18

They sign on to jb during the summer and only get 243 pw while schools are closed

I meant 232 pw during summer

Do uk SNAs nèd to sign on during the summer?
At least the contributions count towards pension tho.

But if u even it out over the year salary not great when they only get 232 pw during summer

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 25/07/2024 20:53

Positivenancy · 25/07/2024 14:05

The school day is 4hrs 40mins for the (children) the teacher uses that extra hour to plan etc for the first two years and then 5hr 40mins after that. Paid childcare/afterschool is an option for after those hours.

The school day is only 4 hours 40 in Ireland? It certainly isn't that short in the school I work in! Don't some parts of Ireland get 13 weeks of summer too or am I misremembering

Arrivapercy · 25/07/2024 21:12

The housing in Ireland isn't that expensive! Its comparable to the south of england, only TAs in the south get paid no more than those in the north of England

Sparrowball · 25/07/2024 21:16

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 25/07/2024 20:53

The school day is only 4 hours 40 in Ireland? It certainly isn't that short in the school I work in! Don't some parts of Ireland get 13 weeks of summer too or am I misremembering

Primary school is 9-3, but shorter for the first year, I think they might finish at 1. 8 weeks summer holidays.

Secondary school is 28 hrs per week, usually 9-4 with one half day. 11-12 weeks summer holidays.

DontGoBackForYourHat · 25/07/2024 21:18

@sparepantsandtoothbrush well, it's the secondary schools that have long summer holidays, from the beginning of june to approx 28 August. The secondary school day is longer than 4 hours, more like 7? not sure what the norm is, depends on how long lunch is/ if lunch counts.

The primary schools though, the day is short, my kids were at school from 0845 to 13.15 for the first two years then 0845 to 14.15 the rest.

Sparrowball · 25/07/2024 21:26

Arrivapercy · 25/07/2024 21:12

The housing in Ireland isn't that expensive! Its comparable to the south of england, only TAs in the south get paid no more than those in the north of England

It's expensive in and around Dublin and salaries are the same there as the rest of the country.

>€400k for a new build 3 bed semi with a tiny rear garden and open driveway at the front.

You can borrow 3.5 times your salary, some people do qualify for an exemption and can borrow x 4. First time buyers need a 10% deposit, everyone else needs 20%. So say €40k deposit, minimum €90k salary to get a max mortgage of €360k, plus you need money for solicitor, searches and land registry, stamp duty, flooring, furniture, white goods etc, prices here are expensive for even low-mid range things.

Arrivapercy · 25/07/2024 21:29

*It's expensive in and around Dublin and salaries are the same there as the rest of the country.

>€400k for a new build 3 bed semi with a tiny rear garden and open driveway at the front.*

London would be double that and a TA would still only take home about £20k.

DontGoBackForYourHat · 25/07/2024 21:31

yupp, and do SNAs really get mortgages when they have to sign on every summer?

I wonder do the British SNAs need to do this?

Mortgage lenders are obviously focused on permanent roles. Does a role where you're effectively not paid by the Dept of Ed but insteand by the Dept of Social Protection for 13 weeks every year really entice mortgage lenders?

I haven't been in this situation but I'm curious, if anybody's been through this and wants to share, i'm interested.

Sparrowball · 25/07/2024 21:32

Arrivapercy · 25/07/2024 21:29

*It's expensive in and around Dublin and salaries are the same there as the rest of the country.

>€400k for a new build 3 bed semi with a tiny rear garden and open driveway at the front.*

London would be double that and a TA would still only take home about £20k.

Dublin is more expensive too, but there's more to Ireland than Dublin, and more to the UK than London.

People on lower incomes tend to buy elsewhere.

DontGoBackForYourHat · 25/07/2024 21:32

Where in Dublin would you get a new 3 bed for 400k? New build 3 beds are more like 540k

DontGoBackForYourHat · 25/07/2024 21:33

Dublin 18/shankill

Sparrowball · 25/07/2024 21:35

DontGoBackForYourHat · 25/07/2024 21:32

Where in Dublin would you get a new 3 bed for 400k? New build 3 beds are more like 540k

I said >€400k in and around Dublin, I never said that figure for Dublin only. The > means greater/more than!

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 25/07/2024 21:39

DontGoBackForYourHat · 25/07/2024 21:18

@sparepantsandtoothbrush well, it's the secondary schools that have long summer holidays, from the beginning of june to approx 28 August. The secondary school day is longer than 4 hours, more like 7? not sure what the norm is, depends on how long lunch is/ if lunch counts.

The primary schools though, the day is short, my kids were at school from 0845 to 13.15 for the first two years then 0845 to 14.15 the rest.

And do they start at 4 years old in Ireland or are they older like Scotland are? I'm on £17800 for 32 hours a week. I'm feeling hard done by now with my 6 weeks summer holiday 😉 Maybe I should move to Ireland

LuckbeaLady2 · 25/07/2024 21:46

@Obechod how many weeks do you actually work

LuckbeaLady2 · 25/07/2024 21:48

Well labour said they want to sort out teacher pay, hopefully that also extends to ta

CallThatCloudy · 25/07/2024 21:55

AFAIK No half terms in Ireland. Number of teaching days same as UK (I stand to be corrected on these points, though)

DontGoBackForYourHat · 25/07/2024 22:14

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 25/07/2024 21:39

And do they start at 4 years old in Ireland or are they older like Scotland are? I'm on £17800 for 32 hours a week. I'm feeling hard done by now with my 6 weeks summer holiday 😉 Maybe I should move to Ireland

So you don't sign on during the summer?

It can be done online. But the SNAs still have to go to post office

Crunchingleaf · 25/07/2024 22:15

CallThatCloudy · 25/07/2024 21:55

AFAIK No half terms in Ireland. Number of teaching days same as UK (I stand to be corrected on these points, though)

There are Midterms but might only be a couple days at primary level. No mid term is needed after Easter for Secondary school.
Primary is 183
Secondary is 167

so not much difference in primary school.

Sparrowball · 25/07/2024 22:15

CallThatCloudy · 25/07/2024 21:55

AFAIK No half terms in Ireland. Number of teaching days same as UK (I stand to be corrected on these points, though)

I can't remember back as far as primary but in secondary there's a week at Halloween, 2 weeks at Christmas, a week in February and 2 weeks at Easter.

DontGoBackForYourHat · 25/07/2024 22:15

My son started primary school at 5, he wasn't ready at 4 and I really mean that!

PrincessCalley · 25/07/2024 22:47

Primary school is now 182 days. There is half terms/midterms in Ireland. We have midterm in Oct and again in Feb. It's a week in Oct and depending on the school either a week or 2 days in Feb. The school can make its own calendar to suit themselves. There's also 2 weeks at Christmas and 2 weeks at Easter. If your on a full time SNA contract you'll get paid for the summer so there's no need to sign on