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To ask why TA’s in uk are paid so little compared to Irish counterparts?

174 replies

Positivenancy · 25/07/2024 13:28

Just as the title says…SNA’s in Ireland are paid a starting salary of over 27k. Why are they only receiving 12-15k in the uk!! It’s terrible!

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Positivenancy · 25/07/2024 14:22

Wafflefudge · 25/07/2024 14:15

Can you link to an actual advert? Where I work a payscale would also look like that but would be adjusted for hours and term time.
Hadn't realised you were quoting figures in euros so its more like 22k in sterling?

I don’t think I can link an actual advert as you gave to register to see the adverts as such. But I have looked and those are not FTE. Some are but they will state the hours required as full time or 0.83 etc

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Positivenancy · 25/07/2024 14:24

CaffeineAndCrochet · 25/07/2024 14:20

For Ireland, €27k isn't a great salary. And anyone starting out would be hired post-2011, so it would take them two years to reach that point. The actual starting salary is €25k.

It’s not a great salary but it’s better than 14000 which is the equivalent in Ireland to the pay in England

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TinyYellow · 25/07/2024 14:25

Maybe it’s because TAs became more common at a time when anyone on a TA wage could also claim tax credits. The role has changed massively since then and requires much more skill than it used to, but the wage hasn’t kept up to reflect that. People do it for love and to fit in with their own children.

Janedoe82 · 25/07/2024 14:25

Income tax is higher in Ireland and you have to pay for health care.

Rickrolypoly · 25/07/2024 14:27

Positivenancy · 25/07/2024 14:05

The school day is 4hrs 40mins for the (children) the teacher uses that extra hour to plan etc for the first two years and then 5hr 40mins after that. Paid childcare/afterschool is an option for after those hours.

Kids are in school for 5 hours 40 mins.

I don't know why you are so shocked that 2 different countries have different pay scales for jobs?? Also as others have indicated, you need to take £ v € into account, tax, cost of living being slightly higher etc..

Janedoe82 · 25/07/2024 14:27

TAs in Northern Ireland are paid on an hourly basis. Recent job adverts I have seen are paying £14ish an hour which is 27k FTE

Rickrolypoly · 25/07/2024 14:28

Janedoe82 · 25/07/2024 14:25

Income tax is higher in Ireland and you have to pay for health care.

No you dont, we have a public health care system.

Positivenancy · 25/07/2024 14:29

Janedoe82 · 25/07/2024 14:25

Income tax is higher in Ireland and you have to pay for health care.

No you don’t HAVE to…we have a two tiered system. A free and private. Those on low wages have free gp and medical cards too.

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Utahthecat · 25/07/2024 14:30

This data is for teachers rather than SNAs but shows that Ireland is at the higher end of pay for teachers across the EU/ EEA but nowhere near as high as Switzerland and Denmark and it drops to mid level once you take purchasing power into account. Data crunched in lots of different ways here https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/07/05/teachers-pay-which-countries-pay-the-most-and-the-least-in-europe .

Teachers' wages: How do salaries for educators compare across Europe?

Teachers' wages: How do countries in Europe compare?

Teachers across Europe have gone on strike in the past year for better pay and working conditions. We look at the differences in salaries.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/07/05/teachers-pay-which-countries-pay-the-most-and-the-least-in-europe

Wallcreeper · 25/07/2024 14:30

Two different countries, two different payscales for a job, It's hardly that surprising. I'm an academic who has worked at universities in Ireland and in the UK, and my salary was substantially higher in Ireland.

Janedoe82 · 25/07/2024 14:31

Positivenancy · 25/07/2024 14:29

No you don’t HAVE to…we have a two tiered system. A free and private. Those on low wages have free gp and medical cards too.

Yes but it isn't a universal service like the NHS- only free if on low wages.

SoSoller · 25/07/2024 14:31

As far as I know, there’s no job security there, though. There’s no such thing as a permanent post, and all TA hours are reviewed each year, so may be cut for the following September.

How does that compare to the UK?

Rickrolypoly · 25/07/2024 14:32

Janedoe82 · 25/07/2024 14:31

Yes but it isn't a universal service like the NHS- only free if on low wages.

No- everyone is entitled to free public health care.

Positivenancy · 25/07/2024 14:33

Janedoe82 · 25/07/2024 14:31

Yes but it isn't a universal service like the NHS- only free if on low wages.

No…care is free for all. Medical card and gp visit cards are for those on low wages…also depends on outgoings. I earn over 40k and have a gp visit card.

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AvrielFinch · 25/07/2024 14:36

Euros is not equivalent to pounds.
Mian reason though is no one cares about TAs. Even teachers rarely say anything about how low paid the TAs are. Some even think it is right they are low paid. Used to be a TA, would never do it again. Its a mugs job.

AvrielFinch · 25/07/2024 14:37

Irish healthcare is not free. You have co pays. Average A and E visit cost is £91.

Positivenancy · 25/07/2024 14:40

AvrielFinch · 25/07/2024 14:37

Irish healthcare is not free. You have co pays. Average A and E visit cost is £91.

https://www.northdoc.ie/use-e-will-charged/#:~:text=If%20you%20use%20accident%20and,Emergency%20departments

it’s free in a lot of cases and those with private insurance can claim it back.

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cainteoir · 25/07/2024 14:40

Irish healthcare is definitely not free, €65 for GP visits, prescriptions capped at €80 a month, dentist visits outside one free annual check up cost a fortune - far from free

Greenbike · 25/07/2024 14:41

Ireland is a richer country than the U.K. Simple as that.

cainteoir · 25/07/2024 14:42

Schooling also has a higher cost than the UK

Anxiety1234 · 25/07/2024 14:46

I am an sna and the qualifications stated are the lowest you need to get a job as an sna . In reality no one I work with gets an sna job with only the junior cert.
It is a better salary than the uk TA but you are constantly doing courses and upskilling.

Also healthcare is not free!
we pay private healthcare but if we need to go to the gp it’s 65 euro & 100 euro for a&e.
Under 8 I think is free gp.
we have to pay for all prescriptions as well. Very expensive when we are sick unfortunately

Didimum · 25/07/2024 14:50

Sounds like OP wants some sort of clap on the back for living in Ireland. What do you want people in the UK to say, OP? Also stating all sums in EUR is a little disingenuous. Experience TA in UK is £23k which is 27 euro.

PrincessHoneysuckle · 25/07/2024 14:51

17k averge here

PrincessHoneysuckle · 25/07/2024 14:53

AvrielFinch · 25/07/2024 14:36

Euros is not equivalent to pounds.
Mian reason though is no one cares about TAs. Even teachers rarely say anything about how low paid the TAs are. Some even think it is right they are low paid. Used to be a TA, would never do it again. Its a mugs job.

Not a mugs job if you've got 2 wages coming in and you want to work term time only 🤷‍♀️

Janedoe82 · 25/07/2024 14:53

Positivenancy · 25/07/2024 14:40

https://www.northdoc.ie/use-e-will-charged/#:~:text=If%20you%20use%20accident%20and,Emergency%20departments

it’s free in a lot of cases and those with private insurance can claim it back.

but you have to pay for private cover 😳

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