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To be feeling very anxious and upset about UC compliance process?

37 replies

BambooBambou · 24/07/2024 21:06

I have been on UC for a couple of years, post divorce, working but still struggling to make ends meet. I don't receive a lot but it really helps me to hold things together although I am slowly accumulating debt. I hope career progression/new job will mean in a few years I will no longer need it. I had never imagined I would end up in this situation frankly but building self back together post divorce/separation.

I was asked to attend a compliance telephone interview. Interview was horrible and the officer spoke for ages about her arthritis and wanting to take esrly retirement while I was so worried about taking time out from work and all the additional time I will need to take to provide evidence for/respond to her investigation. I have still not been able to understand the reason for it - initially in the journal message I was told that it was because I have capital in several accounts. I stupidly didn't close several old accounts years back which have not had any money in or just a couple of pounds in them for the duration, but was never asked before to provide details of any of these. In the interview, the office just kept referring to "information" that she has (or had - she would not tell me the timeframe this relates to) about an amount of money which would actually amount to what I should actually have had, and be obvious to DWP that I had, and would not be in breach of the cap, ie savings a bit below the rate of savings cap plus some of my monthly income which they are aware of and which does not count as income. I have been asked to provide statements for all these accounts for 17 months which is proving to be a nightmare in itself as my banks don't generate statements where there have been no transactions. In addition, the upload link she sent me allows a maximum of 10 files. I told her I had 83 at minimum before she sent it to me... It was only after I tried the link that I realised it could not be used again. So I messaged her about these things. Meanwhile clock ticking - I have been given 14 days to provide everything and if deemed not enaging then payment can be suspended. I have a bigger payment due this month as I paid for holiday childcare up front. Very scared about not being able to pay bills, rent etc. So I messaged her about these issues and what I thought I might be able to produce by the banks instead of letters. So no reponse from the officer, so I called the main line and was told to message under the title "service issues". So I did. No response. I had originally left a message on her phone before messaging as she had told me to leave voice messages. She then calls me today responding to my voicemail, I call her back, she then tells me to stop contacting her, it is the end of her day etc, there is nothing for us to talk about, she has read all my messages and there are too many of them and I am taking time from her other cases. Telling me that I am contacting her too much and needing to talk too much (I am literally just saying "yes, I understand, yes, yes" etc while she talks, occasionally trying to explain/rebut something she has asserted). I tried very briefly to explain why I was contacting her and why I was worried. She told me I need to send everything by post but basically completely shut me down. All the talk about potentially closing down claims, not knowing whether I am actually entitled to UC (which I definitely am) etc. I haven't done anything wrong, I am sure. I have spent ages and ages going through and through. But I feel so worried and so hopeless, cannot concentrate on anything, cannot sleep well and can hardly eat. It feels like they can throw anything at you. I am being investigated for fraud, effectively (she said it is a counter-fraud review) and I cannot think of any possible reason why, and it is taking all my time which I cannot afford, and making me so hugely anxious. I have not felt this devasted since my divorce. Is this normal to feel this way? Have others gone through this and can anyone offer me any words of encouragement? Thank you for reading so far.

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Maybe2024 · 24/07/2024 21:16

Hi @BambooBambou I am sorry you are going through this.

I am not really qualified to advise but I hope other posters will be along soon.

Your UC person sounds like a nightmare. I hope it gets sorted soon 💛💛.

KeepinOn · 24/07/2024 21:18

I'm so sorry you're going through this. Can you seek advice from CAB or Turn2Us? It can be difficult to reach out when you're so stressed already but worth a try maybe?

Hankunamatata · 24/07/2024 21:23

Send all the paperwork as directed by mail and leave a note in journal stating what you have done

Doggymummar · 24/07/2024 21:23

83 attachments is unrealistic and difficult for you to attain. Can you take them in person, just post them through the door at the weekend if you are working and take a photo to prove delivery.

Confrontayshunme · 24/07/2024 21:27

Contact your local CAB. It is literally their job to help people obtain and dispute benefits.

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 24/07/2024 21:38

savings a bit below the rate of savings cap
How much of 'a bit below' £16k do you have in savings?
I can't understand the horrors people on benefits have when they think they'll have to use savings to buy things!

RickyGervaislovesdogs · 24/07/2024 21:43

You have bank accounts you failed to declare. Surely UC ask for all bank accounts to be quoted when you claim?
Ask your bank for record prints of the accounts.

BambooBambou · 24/07/2024 21:46

Thanks, hopefully she sends a letter (apparently I have to wait for a letter now we apparently cannot do it by upload) and hope everything arrives in time for me to send it off to arrive within 14 days deadline. It would actually be far easier though to upload what I have as the upload link for 10 files is really quick - I just asked for another 8 links which I thought could be an easy solution but she said that is not possible... I don't have software to stitch them and no printer to print so hoping bank sends statements in time. Anyway I will of course send all this, but it is just the not knowing what on earth is going on and the attitude that I have done something wrong and certainly cannot stick up for myself or displease her, which I am finding so tough. It feels like my life is in her hands - she told me she gets to make the decision about suspension or not. Thank you for all your replies. I will definitely contact CAB if things get worse! I read a scary report they produced where people caught up in the net get their payments suspended and struggle to get them reinstated. I really just literally don't have any more time in the day now. I know I need to put a distance between it and myself, and try to get on with every day life, but it has kind of knocked me for six. I find the treatment very demoralising and feel like I have lost a lot of confidence just over a few days! I am the kind of person who was just completely mortified as a child if I ever got told off... It helps to write about it as I feel to ashamed to discuss in real life. People on here are very kind!

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BambooBambou · 24/07/2024 21:47

RickyGervaislovesdogs · 24/07/2024 21:43

You have bank accounts you failed to declare. Surely UC ask for all bank accounts to be quoted when you claim?
Ask your bank for record prints of the accounts.

No I was never asked, as far as I can recall.

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BambooBambou · 24/07/2024 21:48

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 24/07/2024 21:38

savings a bit below the rate of savings cap
How much of 'a bit below' £16k do you have in savings?
I can't understand the horrors people on benefits have when they think they'll have to use savings to buy things!

Well I have about £2k now, and at the start of the relevant time period £5.5k. But definitely not over!

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Miley1967 · 24/07/2024 21:52

Literally thousands of people have had these checks. It is due to them clamping down on fraud. Unfortunately with any means tested benefits they will need proof of all accounts. Hopefully will be quickly sorted once all statements sent in.

RickyGervaislovesdogs · 24/07/2024 22:00

BambooBambou · 24/07/2024 21:47

No I was never asked, as far as I can recall.

Unlikely to be the case, I imagine you have to declare all accounts held, in order to prevent fraud.
Loads of people open a ton of accounts, then ditch them or forget about them.
Until this happens, you’ll need to gather the information and supply it as soon as you can or ask for an extension of the time limits.
Failure to do so will result in the assumption you hold over the capital limit.

Lemonychocolate · 24/07/2024 22:01

BambooBambou · 24/07/2024 21:47

No I was never asked, as far as I can recall.

Sorry you have to go through this. That staff doesn't sound friendly at all
Is your capital over 6k? When you declared that you need to fill in how many cash/saving/isa accounts you have. I assume all your accounts counts even they don't currently have money in.

BambooBambou · 24/07/2024 22:13

RickyGervaislovesdogs · 24/07/2024 22:00

Unlikely to be the case, I imagine you have to declare all accounts held, in order to prevent fraud.
Loads of people open a ton of accounts, then ditch them or forget about them.
Until this happens, you’ll need to gather the information and supply it as soon as you can or ask for an extension of the time limits.
Failure to do so will result in the assumption you hold over the capital limit.

Looking at my journal, it seems I was only ever asked to declare the amount of savings/investments. Maybe that has since changed.

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BambooBambou · 24/07/2024 22:15

Lemonychocolate · 24/07/2024 22:01

Sorry you have to go through this. That staff doesn't sound friendly at all
Is your capital over 6k? When you declared that you need to fill in how many cash/saving/isa accounts you have. I assume all your accounts counts even they don't currently have money in.

Not over 6k any more but it was when I first claimed. But I really cannot remember, and cannot find any record of having been asked for information regarding individual accounts.

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ml3jp · 24/07/2024 22:18

BambooBambou · 24/07/2024 22:13

Looking at my journal, it seems I was only ever asked to declare the amount of savings/investments. Maybe that has since changed.

OP is correct. I am a benefits adviser so make new claims all the time. It used to ask you what types of accounts you held but not the number of them. Just total capital held. I made a claim this week and you are now required to declare the number of each type of account. This is a new change

RickyGervaislovesdogs · 24/07/2024 22:26

BambooBambou · 24/07/2024 22:13

Looking at my journal, it seems I was only ever asked to declare the amount of savings/investments. Maybe that has since changed.

Well that’s ridiculous, but that’s UC for you. They’re seeking to rectify these issues by the sounds of it.
Pita but once you gather the information, it can be sorted out. Try not to worry, just gather what’s needed. Record prints are free, if you can’t get hold of statements / costs are high.

Lemonychocolate · 24/07/2024 22:29

ml3jp · 24/07/2024 22:18

OP is correct. I am a benefits adviser so make new claims all the time. It used to ask you what types of accounts you held but not the number of them. Just total capital held. I made a claim this week and you are now required to declare the number of each type of account. This is a new change

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But every time you report the change of savings you need to fill in how many accounts I have. You have to fill in the number of accounts, name of the providers and also the last 4 digits before you can submit. Always been like that.
But in op's case if you don't have over 6k I won't be too worried. Although it is indeed very annoying!

Ps. If you started over 6k and then went under but never reported the change you're actually underpaid...

poshsnobtwit · 24/07/2024 22:32

I joined a UC facebook group and a few people on there have been given 3 working days to produce 4 years worth of bank statements!

BambooBambou · 24/07/2024 22:38

RickyGervaislovesdogs · 24/07/2024 22:26

Well that’s ridiculous, but that’s UC for you. They’re seeking to rectify these issues by the sounds of it.
Pita but once you gather the information, it can be sorted out. Try not to worry, just gather what’s needed. Record prints are free, if you can’t get hold of statements / costs are high.

I really hope that is it! And also that might make sense as the round figure she quoted as being her "information" could match the sum I originally quoted when making my initial claim. Honestly, I realise it is a big invasion of privacy, but in some ways I feel it would be helpful if DWP could access bank accounts directly!

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pottypepper · 24/07/2024 22:56

OP please contact your MP, they have staff who can help in situations like this. They can help you sort it out.

BambooBambou · 25/07/2024 10:02

poshsnobtwit · 24/07/2024 22:32

I joined a UC facebook group and a few people on there have been given 3 working days to produce 4 years worth of bank statements!

That is shocking. They could quote the Universal Credit, Personal Independence Payment, Jobseeker's Allowance and Employment and Support Allowance (Decisions and Appeals) Regulations 2013 S45(4) as it should be 14 days. Getting well read up on this stuff!

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RickyGervaislovesdogs · 25/07/2024 10:22

BambooBambou · 24/07/2024 22:38

I really hope that is it! And also that might make sense as the round figure she quoted as being her "information" could match the sum I originally quoted when making my initial claim. Honestly, I realise it is a big invasion of privacy, but in some ways I feel it would be helpful if DWP could access bank accounts directly!

If there’s fraud they can, but that’s in certain circumstances not Willy nilly.They want a prosecution or ad pen nailed on.

HowIrresponsible · 25/07/2024 10:27

poshsnobtwit · 24/07/2024 22:32

I joined a UC facebook group and a few people on there have been given 3 working days to produce 4 years worth of bank statements!

I've just gone into my banking app and I can download statements for my bank all the way back to 2009.

It would take me maybe a couple of hours to down load 4 years worth. 3 days isn't unreasonable.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 25/07/2024 10:32

HowIrresponsible · 25/07/2024 10:27

I've just gone into my banking app and I can download statements for my bank all the way back to 2009.

It would take me maybe a couple of hours to down load 4 years worth. 3 days isn't unreasonable.

Depends on people's circumstances though, I'd struggle to do that in three days, particularly right now during the holidays.