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To be feeling very anxious and upset about UC compliance process?

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BambooBambou · 24/07/2024 21:06

I have been on UC for a couple of years, post divorce, working but still struggling to make ends meet. I don't receive a lot but it really helps me to hold things together although I am slowly accumulating debt. I hope career progression/new job will mean in a few years I will no longer need it. I had never imagined I would end up in this situation frankly but building self back together post divorce/separation.

I was asked to attend a compliance telephone interview. Interview was horrible and the officer spoke for ages about her arthritis and wanting to take esrly retirement while I was so worried about taking time out from work and all the additional time I will need to take to provide evidence for/respond to her investigation. I have still not been able to understand the reason for it - initially in the journal message I was told that it was because I have capital in several accounts. I stupidly didn't close several old accounts years back which have not had any money in or just a couple of pounds in them for the duration, but was never asked before to provide details of any of these. In the interview, the office just kept referring to "information" that she has (or had - she would not tell me the timeframe this relates to) about an amount of money which would actually amount to what I should actually have had, and be obvious to DWP that I had, and would not be in breach of the cap, ie savings a bit below the rate of savings cap plus some of my monthly income which they are aware of and which does not count as income. I have been asked to provide statements for all these accounts for 17 months which is proving to be a nightmare in itself as my banks don't generate statements where there have been no transactions. In addition, the upload link she sent me allows a maximum of 10 files. I told her I had 83 at minimum before she sent it to me... It was only after I tried the link that I realised it could not be used again. So I messaged her about these things. Meanwhile clock ticking - I have been given 14 days to provide everything and if deemed not enaging then payment can be suspended. I have a bigger payment due this month as I paid for holiday childcare up front. Very scared about not being able to pay bills, rent etc. So I messaged her about these issues and what I thought I might be able to produce by the banks instead of letters. So no reponse from the officer, so I called the main line and was told to message under the title "service issues". So I did. No response. I had originally left a message on her phone before messaging as she had told me to leave voice messages. She then calls me today responding to my voicemail, I call her back, she then tells me to stop contacting her, it is the end of her day etc, there is nothing for us to talk about, she has read all my messages and there are too many of them and I am taking time from her other cases. Telling me that I am contacting her too much and needing to talk too much (I am literally just saying "yes, I understand, yes, yes" etc while she talks, occasionally trying to explain/rebut something she has asserted). I tried very briefly to explain why I was contacting her and why I was worried. She told me I need to send everything by post but basically completely shut me down. All the talk about potentially closing down claims, not knowing whether I am actually entitled to UC (which I definitely am) etc. I haven't done anything wrong, I am sure. I have spent ages and ages going through and through. But I feel so worried and so hopeless, cannot concentrate on anything, cannot sleep well and can hardly eat. It feels like they can throw anything at you. I am being investigated for fraud, effectively (she said it is a counter-fraud review) and I cannot think of any possible reason why, and it is taking all my time which I cannot afford, and making me so hugely anxious. I have not felt this devasted since my divorce. Is this normal to feel this way? Have others gone through this and can anyone offer me any words of encouragement? Thank you for reading so far.

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HowIrresponsible · 25/07/2024 10:34

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 25/07/2024 10:32

Depends on people's circumstances though, I'd struggle to do that in three days, particularly right now during the holidays.

You don't have an hour in the evening with the kids in bed to down load a few statements?

It does sound as if the OP has been driving this woman up the wall with contacting her.

Can't they all be printed off (library will do it) scan it and email as one attachment

Doggymummar · 25/07/2024 10:51

BambooBambou · 25/07/2024 10:02

That is shocking. They could quote the Universal Credit, Personal Independence Payment, Jobseeker's Allowance and Employment and Support Allowance (Decisions and Appeals) Regulations 2013 S45(4) as it should be 14 days. Getting well read up on this stuff!

Why is it shocking? It would take me less than 5 minutes to go online and get them.

HowIrresponsible · 25/07/2024 10:56

Doggymummar · 25/07/2024 10:51

Why is it shocking? It would take me less than 5 minutes to go online and get them.

Exactly.

It's just that when you rely on UC to be able to afford to live and by your own admission would be in dire straits withiut the benefits, I don't understand the inability to look out basic documents and send them.

You're asking the state to pay you money from the public purse to support you and yet you can't prioritise the paperwork needed to prove those circumstances?

It is not an onerous task to be done given what's at stake and what you stand to lose.

There is plenty of time for Facebook groups and mumsnet though.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 25/07/2024 11:20

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 24/07/2024 21:38

savings a bit below the rate of savings cap
How much of 'a bit below' £16k do you have in savings?
I can't understand the horrors people on benefits have when they think they'll have to use savings to buy things!

We're not on benefits at the moment, though DH really needs to look at claiming UC.

My take on this, given it's the situation we're in, is that once it's spent it's gone and isn't replaceable. We can't save enough to put back what we're taking out, so every time we need to spend money from savings, it means next time there's an emergency we may not be able to pay for it. 2020 we had around £16,000, we now have around £6,000. DH needs dental work, that's probably another £1,000 gone.

BambooBambou · 25/07/2024 11:27

HowIrresponsible · 25/07/2024 10:56

Exactly.

It's just that when you rely on UC to be able to afford to live and by your own admission would be in dire straits withiut the benefits, I don't understand the inability to look out basic documents and send them.

You're asking the state to pay you money from the public purse to support you and yet you can't prioritise the paperwork needed to prove those circumstances?

It is not an onerous task to be done given what's at stake and what you stand to lose.

There is plenty of time for Facebook groups and mumsnet though.

It is shocking if they are asking for those statements to be provided within 3 or 4 days because they are asking for printed documents in many cases and banks can take a week or more to post these. In my case, there are literally no statements online so I need letters from the bank. It is also shocking, because the regulations clearly state 14 days and people, many of whom are vulnerable, should not be misled in this way. Some people might be sick, in hospital, on holiday, not regularly checking emails, have learning difficulties, etc, so obviously unable to respond in that timeframe. Read this report which explains how people can struggle and be seriously adversely impacted: www.citizensadvice.org.uk/policy/publications/caught-up-in-the-net-how-universal-credit-benefit-suspensions-are-affecting/

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Namenamchange · 25/07/2024 11:41

Try not to worry, get all the information together copy and send tor recorded delivery.
if you need to talk to her again record the conversation - tell her first if you feel like it.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 25/07/2024 12:03

HowIrresponsible · 25/07/2024 10:34

You don't have an hour in the evening with the kids in bed to down load a few statements?

It does sound as if the OP has been driving this woman up the wall with contacting her.

Can't they all be printed off (library will do it) scan it and email as one attachment

DS is autistic, can't go to sleep on his own. Change of routine with the holidays means last night he didn't go to sleep until gone 11pm (which is still good really - before he was prescribed melatonin it was 1am), at which point I was exhausted as he'd been talking to me and needing attention since I finished work, and I just wanted a cup of tea and then to go to sleep. He had me up at 6am this morning, which is better than 4am at least.

My days are essentially working, caring for DS while DH works, bed. I used to have hobbies 😭

HowIrresponsible · 25/07/2024 12:03

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 25/07/2024 12:03

DS is autistic, can't go to sleep on his own. Change of routine with the holidays means last night he didn't go to sleep until gone 11pm (which is still good really - before he was prescribed melatonin it was 1am), at which point I was exhausted as he'd been talking to me and needing attention since I finished work, and I just wanted a cup of tea and then to go to sleep. He had me up at 6am this morning, which is better than 4am at least.

My days are essentially working, caring for DS while DH works, bed. I used to have hobbies 😭

That must be so hard. So sorry about that 💐

BambooBambou · 25/07/2024 12:23

HowIrresponsible · 25/07/2024 10:34

You don't have an hour in the evening with the kids in bed to down load a few statements?

It does sound as if the OP has been driving this woman up the wall with contacting her.

Can't they all be printed off (library will do it) scan it and email as one attachment

She sent me a link that does not allow me to upload all the evidence requested, plus some of the evidence requested does not exist but there are potential alternatives. At that stage I was not able to post. Apparently you can either only post everything, or only upload everything. The officer can decide, for whatever reason they like apparently, which method should be used. Meanwhile the deadline was running. I was simply asking about what I should do and trying to understand the situation. I am not sure how that should qualify as driving up the wall!

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MouseofCommons · 25/07/2024 14:14

This has reminded me that I must change all my bank accounts back to paper bank statements. UC is a nightmare as it is without having to print statements. I've got seven accounts 😭.

Singleandproud · 25/07/2024 14:25

It might be a bit late now but local libraries come into their own for things like this if you don't have access to a printer.

Pop in with some ID if you haven't been for a while and ask for a log in, you'll be able to download and print the statements from the library.

Depending on the device they have you could then scan them back in and turn them into one (or several smaller) pdfs to upload into the UC portal.

I would also ask for a change of case worker.

BambooBambou · 25/07/2024 18:08

Singleandproud · 25/07/2024 14:25

It might be a bit late now but local libraries come into their own for things like this if you don't have access to a printer.

Pop in with some ID if you haven't been for a while and ask for a log in, you'll be able to download and print the statements from the library.

Depending on the device they have you could then scan them back in and turn them into one (or several smaller) pdfs to upload into the UC portal.

I would also ask for a change of case worker.

That is super helpful thank you!

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