To think there is no more money?

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And Labour have admitted this.

So many threads saying X or Y needs to be ‘properly funded’ (even though most of the time our spending is actually in line with comparable countries), but no acknowledgment of the fact there’s no money to spend.

And when you bring it up, posters completely ignore you or accuse you of being Jacob Rees Mogg

Wouldn’t the quality of debate be improved if we stopped burying our heads in the sand?

It was pretty obvious at the time but still.. they lied

Isn't productivity increasingly seen as an outdated measure of economic succes, with things like well-being and environmental sustainability being given more weight than mere output per labour hour?

I mean if productivity is such an important factor I wonder why business choose to continuously adopt things that are proven to be unproductive? Open plan offices for example, virtually every study shows it has a detrimental effect on productivity (amongst other things) but corporates love it so carry on with it regardless.

Unfortunately wellbeing does pay for public services.

It's much harder to prove the productivity cost of open plan vs. the very real and apparent savings of open plan in one's P&L

Yeah because who needs cold hard cash to pay for debt interest and public services. Let’s just pretend that warm fuzzy platitudes can fund all that. a la Venezuela.

Oh so the previous Govt ignoring the fact that these would be coming down the track is all ok?

They knew the pay rises had to be funded but spent the reserves and never set aside funds for them, either in part, let alone full.

Try again, its not Labour fault.

This all comes down to Hunt and his 'bribe to the electorate.

Didn't Sunak cost the Govt £11bn in extra interest rate charges by not insuring the 900bn of QE against interest rate rises.

Then Truss caused the UK's Gilt yield crisis, yields being effective govt borrowing rates.

Even now, UK 10yr Gilt yields higher than France and Germany's, thats all additional borrowing costs.

Alexandra2001 · Today 12:39
The IFS made it very clear that Hunts NI cuts would lead to either other tax rises and/or spending cuts and so it has been proved

Keir Starmer supported the cuts to NI;

Hansard
Budget Resolutions
Volume 746: debated on Wednesday 6 March 2024

Keir Starmer
Because we have campaigned to lower the tax burden on working people for the whole Parliament—and we will not stop now—we will support the cuts to national insurance.

Oh for Pete’s sake, don’t bother the woman with facts! They’ll just get in the way.

What’s your point?

I'd have thought that was blindingly obvious, given your previous post.

Plenty of "hard cash" but wasted by the Tories.

It seems the then Shadow Chief Sec to the Treasury (now actual Chief Sec) Darren Jones wrote to Hunt in November fiercely objecting to removing winter fuel payments for some pensioners:

https://x.com/darrenpjones/status/1726503349036748968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1726503349036748968%7Ctwgr%5E61d8b77474b10129c64af2ab3cf69729baed1a7c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spectator.co.uk%2Farticle%2Flabour-u-turns-on-scrapping-winter-fuel-payments%2F

Excellent work Labour! Fucking liars.

Again what’s your point and what has it got to do with my post? If you have an agenda against the Tories, go argue with one of their supporters to give you the relief you are looking for.

It looks as if they will need to find more money now...entirely predictably, given their approach to public sector pay so far...!!

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/gps-vote-for-first-strikes-since-1960s-in-funding-dispute-9kkwptv6s

That ballot was proposed in May and opened in June, which was under the Tory government. GPs were royally stitched up by the Tories the the result of the ballot being yes should be a surprise to nobody. It would have been the same if the election hadn’t been called.

The ballot closed on 29 July, more than three weeks after the election.

and the country is at risk.

Of what??

Not like you are living in Ukraine or Palestine/Israel.

Don't let fear get the better of you.

Not living there, but certainly affected, as we have pledged 300bn per year (of money we do not have) to Ukr. Since 2014 by coincidence %of GDP spent on defence (no housing, health etc) doubled, tripled, due to be even more. Our living costs have gone up, up in the same period.

There is sommat we aren't being told, huh?

It is being asked about on this thread - what do we do with no money? But there should be money. So where do we find it? It takes time to unravel what has been before, is what the poster is saying. I am not convinced they are right that it will all be unravelled, but what they are saying is relevant.

For instance, public private partnerships. Sometimes virtually blank cheques paid under contracts which were not well negotiated. Millions paid to companies to build things for a superinflated cost. Millions paid to companies to house vulternable teenagers, probably ruining their lives, instead of paying the money towards competently solving the problems in the first place. It is a total mess. It would take time for any competent, moral government to sort out.