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To apply for DLA for DD when we have a household income of over 300k?

535 replies

Milesandmilesandmiles · 24/07/2024 16:14

Just that really - we have an autistic daughter who needs support with most things (although is in mainstream school). Between us DH and I earn over 300k, so we don’t need the money. However, conscious that we won’t be around for ever and we could save it for DD’s needs as she grows. But is this what state benefits are for?

OP posts:
Handsan · 24/07/2024 19:40

Rainbowsponge · 24/07/2024 19:17

If they can, they should.

OP can.

We have zero hope of ‘budgeting’ for the sheer amount of ‘need’ the population now have. It far outstrips anything we can realistically provide. We have so many people claiming it’s actually frightening.

@Rainbowsponge I’d have a lot more time for this argument if there was a basic level of provision available for kids with disabilities provided by the state. The fact is most parents of children with disabilities will be paying huge amounts for private provision of therapies and kit. State provision of basic therapies and education for disabled children is extremely limited. Raising a child with a disability costs on average three times as much as a typical child and the stats around of mothers in work is shocking (4% for full time work and 16% for any paid employment). The OP might be a high earner now but she’s beating the odds on this and if she’s anything like most mothers of disabled children that is not a secure feeling.

There’s a huge inequalities issue in this. It’s not driven by the OP.

x2boys · 24/07/2024 19:40

Rainbowsponge · 24/07/2024 19:33

And there will be less of it if OP claims.

That doesn't affect anyone else's claim, if the Op is successful in claiming DLA ,it will be because the decision makers feel that her daughters needs justify it ,that's not going ti affect little Jimmy,s claim even though he's from a less well of background, if he too meets the criteria,he will also get it
As several posters have pointed out David Cameron claimed it for his now sadly deceased son who was profoundly disabled.

Rainbowsponge · 24/07/2024 19:40

I like to lay the figures bare in these threads.

1.3 million parents claim DLA for a child. That’s 1 in every 13(ish). That’s more than 2 in every classroom.

3.2 million adults claim PIP. That’s 1 in 11.

Entitlement to either PIP or DLA is increasing by 300,000 every year and projected to rise.

Can any of you posters cheering a probable millionaire on to claim £80 a week look me in the eye and say this is remotely affordable?

Rosscameasdoody · 24/07/2024 19:41

Miley1967 · 24/07/2024 19:33

Childcare is important though - it keeps parents working and in the long run they pay taxes. Someone needs to be paying taxes and currently we don't have enough tax revenue to fund the welfare bill ( or so we are led to believe)

Disabled people work and pay tax too. Why should they be any less entitled to the support that enables them to keep working ?

Miley1967 · 24/07/2024 19:43

Rosscameasdoody · 24/07/2024 19:41

Disabled people work and pay tax too. Why should they be any less entitled to the support that enables them to keep working ?

No where did I say disabled people were any less entitled to support.

PurpleH · 24/07/2024 19:43

If you start removing/taking certain benefits from the more well off, they start not wanting to pay tax. That’s why not all benefits are (rightly) means tested. Some benefits should be universal, so the tax system is fair. Obviously some remain means tested/for those in need but I’d say in this case you have a right to it

BrumToTheRescue · 24/07/2024 19:43

youareonlyhereonce · 24/07/2024 18:39

My DB has been on DLA since the age of 11 - he's 28 and still gets DLA - an indefinite award. (He has ASD) and my DM uses the DLA for him.

While there are some working-age adults with DLA awards still, new claimants would not receive an indefinite DLA award. At most, it would be until transition to PIP.

Rosscameasdoody · 24/07/2024 19:43

Rainbowsponge · 24/07/2024 19:40

I like to lay the figures bare in these threads.

1.3 million parents claim DLA for a child. That’s 1 in every 13(ish). That’s more than 2 in every classroom.

3.2 million adults claim PIP. That’s 1 in 11.

Entitlement to either PIP or DLA is increasing by 300,000 every year and projected to rise.

Can any of you posters cheering a probable millionaire on to claim £80 a week look me in the eye and say this is remotely affordable?

The 3.2m claiming PIP isn’t correct. The Tories admitted as much. They counted twice the people who were still to be migrated onto PiP. And as per previous post, genuinely disabled people shouldn’t be paying the price for cuts. The whole system for assessing and awarding benefits is unfit for purpose and needs to be overhauled, but successive governments prefer to tinker at the edges.

Rainbowsponge · 24/07/2024 19:45

Rosscameasdoody · 24/07/2024 19:43

The 3.2m claiming PIP isn’t correct. The Tories admitted as much. They counted twice the people who were still to be migrated onto PiP. And as per previous post, genuinely disabled people shouldn’t be paying the price for cuts. The whole system for assessing and awarding benefits is unfit for purpose and needs to be overhauled, but successive governments prefer to tinker at the edges.

Figures from DWP, not the government.

Read this

https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/number-new-pip-claimants-has-doubled-year

Is this sustainable?

The number of new PIP claimants has doubled in a year | Disability Rights UK

https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/number-new-pip-claimants-has-doubled-year

AvrielFinch · 24/07/2024 19:45

Rosscameasdoody · 24/07/2024 19:41

Disabled people work and pay tax too. Why should they be any less entitled to the support that enables them to keep working ?

I think DLA should stay. But Access to Work is to help people access and stay in work. DLA is to do everyday living.

Rosscameasdoody · 24/07/2024 19:46

BrumToTheRescue · 24/07/2024 19:43

While there are some working-age adults with DLA awards still, new claimants would not receive an indefinite DLA award. At most, it would be until transition to PIP.

I actually think this poster means PIP. He would have been migrated to PIP by now. Most of the people still claiming DLA were over 65 at the time PIP was introduced and were left on DLA until either their award ran out or they had a change of circumstances.

Calamitousness · 24/07/2024 19:46

YABU. I could’ve applied for one of my children. I didn’t because I could afford not to. He’s my child. If I need to pay for more one to one tuition or lessons to help him then that’s what I did. I’d never claim a benefit like that for a child if you can afford their daily needs not to. It’s our job as parents to meet their needs. Why should the state be funding your child. Your job.

Whammyammy · 24/07/2024 19:47

Doesn't matter what your income is, claim it for your child
Didn't David Cameron claim for one of his children when he was PM?

Katemax82 · 24/07/2024 19:47

Dla is not means tested and is for you to use as you see fit. Go for it

Miley1967 · 24/07/2024 19:47

Well 64% of voters think op is being unreasonable but doesn't appear many of them have commented on the thread.

x2boys · 24/07/2024 19:48

Calamitousness · 24/07/2024 19:46

YABU. I could’ve applied for one of my children. I didn’t because I could afford not to. He’s my child. If I need to pay for more one to one tuition or lessons to help him then that’s what I did. I’d never claim a benefit like that for a child if you can afford their daily needs not to. It’s our job as parents to meet their needs. Why should the state be funding your child. Your job.

How do you know your child wouldxhave been eligible if you have never claimed?

BrumToTheRescue · 24/07/2024 19:48

Rosscameasdoody · 24/07/2024 19:46

I actually think this poster means PIP. He would have been migrated to PIP by now. Most of the people still claiming DLA were over 65 at the time PIP was introduced and were left on DLA until either their award ran out or they had a change of circumstances.

Maybe not. A minority of working-age adults on indefinite DLA awards are yet to be transferred to PIP.

Rosscameasdoody · 24/07/2024 19:49

AvrielFinch · 24/07/2024 19:45

I think DLA should stay. But Access to Work is to help people access and stay in work. DLA is to do everyday living.

Access to work is completely different from DLA/PIP. It’s not a cash benefit but looks at the practicalities of keeping someone in work. A benefit like PIP would be able to keep someone with, for example, severe mobility problems, in work by the mobility component paying for a Motability car so they can travel to and from work, where perhaps it would otherwise be too difficult. Access to work is a good scheme but it has its’ limitations.

Simonjt · 24/07/2024 19:49

Emmanuelll · 24/07/2024 19:38

And if the country is skint then blame the Tories for feathering their own nests and squandering taxes on vanity projects.

Yep. When we lived in the UK my husbands specialist physio alone cost £800 per month, all in all his disability was costing about £1,300 a month, thats an entire wage after taxes. But apparently we were greeding for accessing financial support we were entitled to to slightly ease the financial burden of his disability.

x2boys · 24/07/2024 19:49

Whammyammy · 24/07/2024 19:47

Doesn't matter what your income is, claim it for your child
Didn't David Cameron claim for one of his children when he was PM?

Not when he was PM as he had sadly passed away by then but yes he did claim for his profoundly disabled son.

LostTheMarble · 24/07/2024 19:50

Calamitousness · 24/07/2024 19:46

YABU. I could’ve applied for one of my children. I didn’t because I could afford not to. He’s my child. If I need to pay for more one to one tuition or lessons to help him then that’s what I did. I’d never claim a benefit like that for a child if you can afford their daily needs not to. It’s our job as parents to meet their needs. Why should the state be funding your child. Your job.

Because some of us who have children who will need a lifetime of care. Meeting academic standards means nothing. And that’s not natural, it’s not what’s expected when you plan to have children - you don’t have them thinking ‘well I’ll have to figure out a way of earning enough to pay for us until I die and beyond as well as making sure that their needs are met like that of a young child for the rest of their natural life’. If all your child needs to be independent is a bit of extra tuition, sounds like DLA wasn’t for them anyway.

Otherstories2002 · 24/07/2024 19:50

youareonlyhereonce · 24/07/2024 18:41

My DB gets DLA - he's 28 and has an indefinite award since the age of 11 - so not necessarily.

No he doesn’t - DLA stops at 16.

Otherstories2002 · 24/07/2024 19:51

Rainbowsponge · 24/07/2024 18:56

Her DD has enough, she’s been born into wealth and privilege. This isn’t equity, it’s greed.

You don’t know what equity is. In this case she is disadvantaged compared to another child born into such circumstances. DLA is not means tested for a reason.

PAYEohYEAY · 24/07/2024 19:53

Calamitousness · 24/07/2024 19:46

YABU. I could’ve applied for one of my children. I didn’t because I could afford not to. He’s my child. If I need to pay for more one to one tuition or lessons to help him then that’s what I did. I’d never claim a benefit like that for a child if you can afford their daily needs not to. It’s our job as parents to meet their needs. Why should the state be funding your child. Your job.

So, you wouldn't accept for example free nursery hours..because you can afford not to?

Rainbowsponge · 24/07/2024 19:54

Otherstories2002 · 24/07/2024 19:51

You don’t know what equity is. In this case she is disadvantaged compared to another child born into such circumstances. DLA is not means tested for a reason.

Yes but other children are born to skint parents.