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diamonds are so pointless

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combinationpadlock · 20/07/2024 12:50

why are they valued so highly? Because they look nice? Other things look nice without the price tag, and without the massive industrial scale mining, and human cost of lives spent in mines.

Do you wear them? Why? Do you think this is a sexist issue? men mostly mine them and women mostly wear them. Why do so many millions of man hours go into something to adorn women?

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Sunnyandsilly · 22/07/2024 09:42

palomatoast · 22/07/2024 09:38

People mistakenly think diamond rings are an investment but the resale value of a new diamond ring is a fraction of what you pay for it. The value of diamonds also reduces every year because of the rise in lab grown stones.

I think it's a shame so much money is wasted on this, especially considering the environmental impact, but I feel the same about sports cars. If you want to spend your money on that then more fool you I guess.

I don’t think most folks buy it as an investment, more a heirloom or engagement ring, my engagement ring for insurance purposes has increased in value, for replacement, but it’s always been the case second hand for some stones is reduced, it depends on the quality.

value isn’t decreasing due to costume jewellery, it never will or has.

HelterSkelter224 · 22/07/2024 09:44

They're valuable thanks to advertising- "a diamond is forever"

sesquipedalian · 22/07/2024 09:48

I remember as a child the first time I saw a diamond, being crushingly disappointed - I had thought they would be glorious, instead of just white and boring!

MitskiMoo · 22/07/2024 09:59

I know this thread has been going a while bug what is the thinking on coloured stones? My engagement ring is a sapphire.

Scumtastic · 22/07/2024 10:43

@MitskiMoo
It's all personal choice. People cans and should have whatever they want. It's always worth doing some research before you buy anything expensive.
I love sapphires but prefer not heat treated or chemically treated ones.

brunettemic · 22/07/2024 10:44

To be fair, they are actually quite pointy 😉

LlynTegid · 22/07/2024 10:44

As jewellery I agree. Same could be said for expensive watches.

MrHarleyQuin · 22/07/2024 10:46

I've been married for 20 years and my diamond engagement ring was a 1930s antique. What should I do, throw it in the bin to be ethical? Pfft.

palomatoast · 22/07/2024 10:51

Sunnyandsilly · 22/07/2024 09:42

I don’t think most folks buy it as an investment, more a heirloom or engagement ring, my engagement ring for insurance purposes has increased in value, for replacement, but it’s always been the case second hand for some stones is reduced, it depends on the quality.

value isn’t decreasing due to costume jewellery, it never will or has.

Agree, the replacement the price will be high but that's because they're assuming you will buy new. It's the equivalent of buying a sports car, once a diamond ring is "off the forecourt" it loses a lot of value. I think many people don't realise this.

And it is true that the market value of diamonds is reducing each year due to lab grown diamonds:
https://fortune.com/2023/09/03/diamond-demand-falling-lab-grown-stones-de-beers-cutting-cutting-prices/

Jewellery valuers are advising people to get a new valuation at least every couple of years to avoid the risk of being overinsured.

Diamond demand is falling so fast—courtesy lab-grown stones—De Beers is cutting some prices by more than 40% 

Lab-grown diamonds can be made in a matter of weeks in a microwave chamber.

https://fortune.com/2023/09/03/diamond-demand-falling-lab-grown-stones-de-beers-cutting-cutting-prices

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 22/07/2024 19:10

FinalCeleryScheme · 22/07/2024 09:05

The price is different because the mined diamond market is rigged. It’s also partly artificial because of the success of the ‘a diamond is forever’ persuasion.

Jewellers cannot tell them apart. That’s not true.

I’ve never heard of insurance difficulties. But if they do exist it’s because, again, the mined market is artificial: the insurer would be reflecting a difference in value that’s unreal.

The ethics do not favour diamond mining!

If history matters - like buying a gem owned by a monarch or a film star - you’re out of the precious stones market and into the auction house memorabilia market, along with dresses, guitars, medals and the like. If the setting is important, that’s the craft, not the stone.

If you think indistinguishable diamonds are worse because they’re not part of a bogus market, more fool you. All diamonds are readily available: they can be made in a lab.

Jewellers cannot tell them apart with the naked eye, no. But they can with specialised equipment which detects the presence of nitrogen (mined diamonds contain traces of nitrogen, lab created ones don’t) and can detect minute differences in the way mined and lab diamonds reflect the spectrum. And I agree that the ethics don’t favour diamond mining, but that’s said from a first world point of view. Not so easy to brush it off when your livelihood depends on it.

MitskiMoo · 23/07/2024 09:31

Scumtastic · 22/07/2024 10:43

@MitskiMoo
It's all personal choice. People cans and should have whatever they want. It's always worth doing some research before you buy anything expensive.
I love sapphires but prefer not heat treated or chemically treated ones.

Thank you. I'm older and it's not some huge rock. It was around a thousand pounds 30 years ago so hopefully it's real.

Neodymium · 23/07/2024 09:37

diamonds aren’t even rare. They are plentiful. If it wasn’t for de beers buying all the mines and controlling the supply they would be like topaz and be cheap. It’s such a scam. Plus they are a terrible investment. They lose value.

my engagement ring is a sapphire. I didn’t care if was natural or lab grown but dh wanted a real one 🙄. I’m a scientist on an atomic level they are identical to me. So I don’t see the point in natural. But anyway, it does have 2 small diamonds in it because it’s hard to find sapphires without the diamonds.

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