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This global Microsoft Outage

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SSpratt · 19/07/2024 09:10

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnk4jdwp49et

Any worries? It is chaos out there by the look of the news.

My experience is that I’m not able to work today and had trouble using my debit card this morning. The transaction eventually went through but it’s not showing on my account.

Planes grounded as mass worldwide IT outage hits airlines, media and banks

The cause of the outage is unclear - but Microsoft says it's taking "mitigation issues".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnk4jdwp49et

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Clearinguptheclutter · 19/07/2024 11:56

WorriedMama12 · 19/07/2024 11:46

On another note, if systems are down, how would this affects flights which are mid air? Air traffic control etc?

its not affecting air traffic, at least not in the uK, NATS have put out a statement. There is no risk to actual flying planes, its just things like check in and airport display screens that can't work
Airplanes don't work on windows.

Arghgerroffyabastard · 19/07/2024 11:56

HowardTJMoon · 19/07/2024 11:51

Step 1 - you have in house IT
Step 2 - some new manager looks at how much in-house IT costs, goes golfing with some outsourcer, and decrees that outsourcing will save money as well as being more flexible and resilient
Step 3 - everything gets outsourced
Step 4 - users start noticing that service is poor, outages are widespread, customisation is harder, and prices are going through the roof
Step 5 - Some new manager looks at how much they're paying for outsourced IT, goes golfing with some hardware supplier, and decrees that doing it in-house will save money as well as being more reactive and resilient
Step 6 - go to Step 1

It's a cycle that's been going on since the 1970s.

This!

Also, companies looking at processes and systems that are complicated and flakey, that always give headaches, and deciding to outsource them because they’re not “core business”… then being appalled when they get worse rather than better.

Outsourcing works for the stuff you understand really well and that always goes smoothly, not the hard stuff.

EatMoreFibre · 19/07/2024 11:56

HowardTJMoon · 19/07/2024 11:46

GPS jamming is a definite thing. Russia's been doing it around Ukraine.

And around their border with Finland. They do minor fucking around every now and again just to show that they can

WorriedMama12 · 19/07/2024 11:57

notimagain · 19/07/2024 11:54

I’ve not heard of the aircraft handling side of ATC being affected.

Ironically the flight tracking sites are still “up”, at least on some devices, and approach spacing into places like Heathrow looks perfectly normal to my eye.

Yes but I mean if ATC was affected by a technical glitch, how would it be handled? I'm assuming it was cause them a major headache at the very least.

Cattery · 19/07/2024 11:58

cherrygarden · 19/07/2024 10:26

Noone needs to eat 18 eggs in a week. It’s insane. But if he insists surely he should buy and pay for them himself. And make sure he doesn’t eat everything so that everyone else have to go without or buy more.

Wouldn’t 18 eggs bind you up?

Reugny · 19/07/2024 11:59

Devonbabs · 19/07/2024 11:52

I can remember asking a question a while ago on here about how susceptible the cloud was to hacking or simply breaking in some manner and how vulnerable we are. My DH keeps laughing at my stocks of water, tinned food, cash, batteries, water purifying tablets and wind up torch, radio and solar charger…..

We are very vulnerable everything relies of technology- once again we can see how vulnerable that technology is.

I went on holiday once and as I only had a large torch I shoved it in my luggage.

My 2 friends I was on holiday with laughed at me when I unpacked it. 3 days later we had a power cut...

cherrygarden · 19/07/2024 12:00

EatMoreFibre · 19/07/2024 11:56

And around their border with Finland. They do minor fucking around every now and again just to show that they can

I’ve seen it. It’s impressive how fast they get chased away. 😂 The speed and the sound.

HowardTJMoon · 19/07/2024 12:00

Provided their radio systems still work then ATC can revert to paper and pen. I'm not sure what would happen if they lose all radio.

RustyBear · 19/07/2024 12:00

I wonder which would be worse for an anti-virus/security company - admitting they'd been hacked, or admitting they didn’t properly check an update before issuing it to their customers….

Reugny · 19/07/2024 12:00

Cattery · 19/07/2024 11:58

Wouldn’t 18 eggs bind you up?

Not if you have enough fibre with it.

He's consuming the 18 eggs for the "protein". There are other foods with protein available, or he can buy some (tasteless) protein powder and mix it in with his normal food.

notimagain · 19/07/2024 12:01

Clearinguptheclutter · 19/07/2024 11:56

its not affecting air traffic, at least not in the uK, NATS have put out a statement. There is no risk to actual flying planes, its just things like check in and airport display screens that can't work
Airplanes don't work on windows.

Seconded.

Aircraft and all the other very, safety critical stuff involved in actual flying won’t run on Windows

It’s more likely to be used more at I guess what I’ll call the admin level, so things like check-in and other airport functions might be more vulnerable to being clobbered.

Blinketyblinkblank · 19/07/2024 12:01

Newsenmum · 19/07/2024 11:38

Some are ok and some are cash only

All was OK at the Sainsbury's I went to. Thank goodness.
I think I'll need to start keeping some cash at home as back up in future though, to save the worry.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 19/07/2024 12:01

Guardian is reporting it's all fixed now.

HowardTJMoon · 19/07/2024 12:02

Saying you've been hacked by a sophisticated state actor is much better PR than saying "We hosed your systems by accident lol".

Differentstarts · 19/07/2024 12:04

PoliteCritic · 19/07/2024 11:41

Where would I store 3 days worth of bottled water? On the living room floor.

Loft, shed, garage, under a bed, bottom of a wardrobe or do you need people to do that for you to.

notimagain · 19/07/2024 12:04

HowardTJMoon · 19/07/2024 12:00

Provided their radio systems still work then ATC can revert to paper and pen. I'm not sure what would happen if they lose all radio.

Quick answer - there are published procedures which at a very basic level means that aircraft and crew fly their flight plan, continue to their planned destination, try and land as close to their scheduled arrival time as possible, hoping to get a green light from somebody in the control tower…

cherrygarden · 19/07/2024 12:07

Differentstarts · 19/07/2024 12:04

Loft, shed, garage, under a bed, bottom of a wardrobe or do you need people to do that for you to.

If you could please. 😂

cherrygarden · 19/07/2024 12:08

cherrygarden · 19/07/2024 12:07

If you could please. 😂

Freezer if you have space for a bottle or two..

Differentstarts · 19/07/2024 12:08

cherrygarden · 19/07/2024 12:07

If you could please. 😂

🤣🤣🤣

Kinshipug · 19/07/2024 12:09

PerkingFaintly · 19/07/2024 11:36

What is this weirdness of simltaneously:

a) suggesting that people should keep a stock of essential perishable goods in their house in case of emergencies (good); but

b) deriding the idea of keeping a stock of a non-perishable, flexible essential ie cash, also for emergencies?

Sometimes what's on your store shelf will meet whatever the emergency need turns out to be, and sometimes it won't. Keeping cash as one of your emergencies stores, if you're financially able, is part of the same common sense as keeping concrete goods.

Really sensible people do both. In a major crisis your cash will quickly run out or be useless.
If you can afford keep cash around, you could spend a tenner on pasta and beans so you don't have to panic looking for somewhere to spend your cash.

Reugny · 19/07/2024 12:09

VolvoFan · 19/07/2024 11:45

Also outsourcing to save money. If you don't want to spend the money, you should expect cheap, unreliable crap.

A few people I know - while I'm related to a couple of them - still work on mainframes.

The outputs and inputs tend to need converting to integrate with newer systems.

The problem companies have is when people retire (or in some cases die) they struggle to get someone else who knows the technology. This is one of the reasons they outsource or off-shore some of this work as companies lie about their capabilities in that legacy technology.

Kinshipug · 19/07/2024 12:12

PoliteCritic · 19/07/2024 11:41

Where would I store 3 days worth of bottled water? On the living room floor.

We have a water barrel in the shed for cleaning, and 3 20l jerrycans in the kitchen. If there's fewer of you, you don't need as much obviously. Store whatever you have space for, something is better than nothing.

RuthW · 19/07/2024 12:14

Everything working here (NHS GP surgery)

the80sweregreat · 19/07/2024 12:18

I keep on reading it was ' outrage ' instead of outage.
This is where cash is king I guess. A few shops were down in town today , but accepting cash

Sethera · 19/07/2024 12:19

Devonbabs · 19/07/2024 11:52

I can remember asking a question a while ago on here about how susceptible the cloud was to hacking or simply breaking in some manner and how vulnerable we are. My DH keeps laughing at my stocks of water, tinned food, cash, batteries, water purifying tablets and wind up torch, radio and solar charger…..

We are very vulnerable everything relies of technology- once again we can see how vulnerable that technology is.

Yep - we are putting all our eggs in one basket with the dominance of Microsoft. Personally I stay as analogue as I can but it's like trying to swim against the tide.