To think that the state should offer single sex education as part of parental choice?

[KTheGrey]

Everyonesinvited.uk states as fact that there are three sexual assaults in primary schools reported to police every day (2016 figures), and that 9/10 girls had received unsolicited images (2021 from Ofsted). The Attainment 8 data analysis by gsa.uk (2019) shows an over 10% average higher point score by girls in girls' schools than by boys in boys' schools and over 20% higher average point score than all students in co-ed schools. A 2018 Queensland University study showed girls from single sex education emerged more confident. Many studies have shown they are more likely to engage with STEM at a higher level.

Should the state admit that it has failed in its primary duty of care in keeping girls safe, (as well as promoting every child's chances of getting their best results from school) and start providing single sex options to parents?

My schooling was single sex, from 5 to 16 years old. It left me completely unprepared for dealing with men and the subsequent impaired relationships. It took many years for me to realise that treating men as equals resulted in them feeling that they weren't getting the deference due from any woman to any man. Education isn't solely about exam results. I'm well-educated academically but much more social practice would have been useful.

Did you have no contact with males at all in your formative years?.

I wanted a single sex school for my DD as I went to one and it was quieter and calmer than the comprehensives.

This might not just be down to being single sex. I went to a Grammar school and my DD is at a Church school.

But what I like about her all girls school is they have so many fun events because they can cater to just girls. And my DD is exceeding in Technology and Science so that side of it works well too.

Just an aggressive drunken father thanks.

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I went to a girls school. No problem working in a mixed environment! We had male teachers and 6th form was mixed. And we socialised with boys, of course.

It took many years for me to realise that treating men as equals resulted in them feeling that they weren't getting the deference due from any woman to any man.

It's them that had a problem that needed fixing, not you! More young women who aren't trained in adolescence to think deference is due from them towards males would be a good thing, surely?!

Presumably you didn't have any male friends? And you felt the need to give men deference? Or have I read that wrong?

That's what I thought!

True story
I despair at the the sometimes blatant discrimination against men and boys, which seems so at odds with the principles of equality and equal opportunities being debated.
Maybe I've managed to raise good sons, with decent friends. Maybe I am lucky to have good, kind , fun male friends.

I really don't recognise this version of male, and the hatred spouted on the feminism boards really disturbs me.

I don't think this trend of making out all girls are perfect and would have such a happy life if the disruptive, sex crazed, rapist, nasty boys didn't exist does girl any favours

I work in a strange industry where quite a lot of the senior managers have been women and a large proportion have been nasty, heartless and hard nosed. Girls at school were unpleasant and as for mums at the school gate.......
Unfortunately the small proportion of bad males are the ones who hit the headlines rather than those who are hardworking kind gentle husbands, partners, fathers and neighbours

I agree with this. I feel some mothers want to keep their precious daughters in a gilded cage to protect and separate them from all those nasty boys forever.
I very much wanted my daughter to go to a mixed school. Yes she'll meet some idiotic and mean boys but she may as well get used to it! Most girls are heterosexual and will want to be involved with men and boys throughout their lives. Better that they get to see and understand bad behaviour early on.
I suppose I must have lived a charmed life in that the vast majority of men I've known have been decent. It was the girls at school that made my life hell. It was random girls in the street who beat me up as a teenager (both times boys intervened to protect me) , women in the workplace have caused me more problems than men.

I mean I agree with the previous two posts.

@Whyhaveibeencutoutofmamsnot I really agree with you.
Of course there are some awful men around. But I genuinely have suffered more at the hands of really unpleasant female bosses.

I have also first hand seen one of my sons suffering the consequences of a relationship with a very controlling and jealous girl that really damaged him.

I was in a horrible coercive abusive marriage for 23 years, with a violent, sexually aggressive alcoholic

I know very well bad men exist. But that still doesn't make me think men are bad, that man was. On the balance of things I've met as many unpleasant women as I have men. My personal experience is I have always struggled with feeling left out of 'queen bee' type girl groups, and it's caused me a lot of social anxiety. I'm sure this is partly due to my experience of this being common in all girls schools. It has made me more socially confident with men.

Which proves precisely nothing. Why do people think their anecdotes are that important? I could adduce the exact opposite but that too would not be evidence.
How about clamping down on boys' behaviour properly? We don't have a segregated society.

Isn't it a weird attitude we have that we think girls should learn to get used to dealing with crap behaviour from some boys from an early age because that's what they'll have to deal with throughout their lives? How about addressing the bad behaviour rather than how girls (and other boys) deal with it?

Dd is at a girls' school and has plenty of interaction with some quite colourful characters. However, she isn't having to deal with sexual language or behaviour or being shown porn on the school bus.

Of course the bad behaviour should be addressed. It'll never be fully eradicated though. Just as bullying behaviour from other girls should be (and is) addressed.
I'm pretty sure some teen girls look at porn without it being shown to them by boys. As far as I know my DD hasn't been shown porn at school but of course there's a world of stuff that happens at all schools that we're not told about.

So would you abolish all mixed ed schools op and make every other local school a girl or a boys school? I have all boys so I'd only have one drop off. Dropping off kids at schools across the city from each other might be less popular if you have one of each.

Girls so better in single sex so I can see the advantage if you have daughters, schools would need to massively review how they taught in boys schools though as many schools don't meet the needs of boys, hence poorer behaviour.

I'm not sure I'd want my kids in single sex ed from 3-18 and then suddenly shipped off to co-ed University though

Don't most people have the option of single sex private schools if they want a specialist education for their child?

So, are you suggesting where each area (for example) currently has one primary school, they will now need three?

So would you abolish all mixed ed schools op and make every other local school a girl or a boys school?

No, there should always be a mixed option. And I'd have thought most primaries should be mixed too.

Don't most people have the option of single sex private schools if they want a specialist education for their child?

You have the option of many things in life....IF you can afford it.

Don't most people have the option of single sex private schools if they want a specialist education for their child?

what planet do you live on?

No, I think there should be a choice of single sex or mixed sex schools. Parents actually select schools on other criteria as well, but that choice is not universally available and I think it should be.

Don't most people have the option of single sex private schools if they want a specialist education for their child?

Most people can't afford private school.

It is true that you can meet mainly decent men and boys throughout your life - I think this is entirely the luck of the draw. However, we have an increasingly pornified culture and mobile phones everywhere and younger people are more exposed to it and less able to cope with it (boys and girls).

It is a different world, and the impact on girls, especially in their teens, can be dramatically worse.