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I stood at a concert

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MangosteenSoda · 11/07/2024 01:12

Went to a concert and had a seat to the side of the stage. In my experience, everyone stands when the act comes on. This didn’t happen universally, but probably around a quarter of the crowd started by standing. I was a little in front of most of the other ‘standers’ and sort of leaned on my seat a bit to minimise myself I suppose, but wanted to enjoy the songs and not sit.

A few songs in, a lady behind me tapped my arm and asked me to sit because her boyfriend/husband (sitting next to her) couldn’t see. I just said, ‘I’m sorry, but this is a concert’ and carried on standing. I’m pretty small and there were massive screens and a stage. I don’t think I blocked it all out.

A few songs later, the ‘very popular and famous’ song was performed and everyone stood up including the woman and her boyfriend. After that, most of the crowd continued standing and a bunch of people were dancing like windmills and nobody bothered them. The angry man and his girlfriend stormed out at this point.

I don’t have a particular aibu, but I felt that I was only asked to sit because I looked like an easy target to ask. It annoyed me that the woman had to ask for the guy and that it was put to me that I should sit because this guy’s preference was all important. I also felt sad for the woman because she was wearing the band T Shirt (so I assumed she was the fan) and this guy seemed to ruin her night with his moans and complaints while she just seemed to want to dance and enjoy the concert like everyone else.

So, should there be areas at concerts where everyone has to stay seated? I don’t think all the seating areas should be this way because they outnumber the floor and it would make for pretty sedentary concerts but maybe a compromise somewhere?

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Krumblina · 13/07/2024 09:20

Geiyotue · 13/07/2024 08:42

That just shows your ignorance of neurodivergence. Being bombarded with noise in everyday life affects me a lot more than someone might be by having to look around someone at a concert. It induces anxiety, makes it almost impossible for me to think or focus or hear/talk to my children (because I can't filter sounds so I hear everything at the same level of volume), raises my heart rate, and means I have to leave as quickly as I can. I actually don't go shopping physically any more as a result.
I don't think people standing at a concert, which they have done for decades, is in any way comparable.
Even if people are standing, it's possible to look through the gaps because concerts are usually in a huge rake, and there are big screens you can watch easily. It's only the same for everyone standing anyway, because all the heads just get raised up the same, it's not like anyone gets a better view by standing, it's about being able to dance and enjoy the music, which is what people have paid to do.

I'm probably not going to reply to you any more now, because having to explain and justify my neurodivergence takes too much energy and is upsetting.

I'm ND and find external sounds difficult. But there's solutions that can help that I put into place.
But external noise isn't deliberate selfishness. If someone was being deliberately noisy in a quiet place then it would be comparable.
I don't understand how you can see how things impact you in other circumstances but don't understand how your behaviour impacts others in this circumstance.

Krumblina · 13/07/2024 09:23

Krumblina · 13/07/2024 09:20

I'm ND and find external sounds difficult. But there's solutions that can help that I put into place.
But external noise isn't deliberate selfishness. If someone was being deliberately noisy in a quiet place then it would be comparable.
I don't understand how you can see how things impact you in other circumstances but don't understand how your behaviour impacts others in this circumstance.

Also not all shows have raking and a screen. That's only huge gigs.

PerkyMintDeer · 13/07/2024 09:45

Krumblina · 13/07/2024 09:20

I'm ND and find external sounds difficult. But there's solutions that can help that I put into place.
But external noise isn't deliberate selfishness. If someone was being deliberately noisy in a quiet place then it would be comparable.
I don't understand how you can see how things impact you in other circumstances but don't understand how your behaviour impacts others in this circumstance.

Also ND and totally agree with this post. I don't pay to go to the supermarket and be bombarded with overstimulating noise & lighting and it's just the way it is, not designed that way through selfishness. But if I pay to see a concert and I can't see the concert because of someone esle's selfishness then I'm allowed to be upset about that. We DON'T all just go to concerts to hear the music and dance, most of us want to be able to actually SEE the artist and not on a fucking screen either. Otherwise we could just a) go to a club and dance and listen to the music or b) watch the TV.

YellowphantGrey · 13/07/2024 09:49

Krumblina · 12/07/2024 23:37

So your access needs matter but not other people's. Interesting.

Your just pulling out your backside now.

No matter how much your hoik your bosom and purse your lips, unless specifically requested by the venue, you can stand when you have a seat at a concert.

If you're unhappy with someone standing, tell them. If they still stand, tell a steward.

But please, for the love of God, stop with this nonsense that it's not allowed.

YellowphantGrey · 13/07/2024 09:51

PerkyMintDeer · 13/07/2024 09:45

Also ND and totally agree with this post. I don't pay to go to the supermarket and be bombarded with overstimulating noise & lighting and it's just the way it is, not designed that way through selfishness. But if I pay to see a concert and I can't see the concert because of someone esle's selfishness then I'm allowed to be upset about that. We DON'T all just go to concerts to hear the music and dance, most of us want to be able to actually SEE the artist and not on a fucking screen either. Otherwise we could just a) go to a club and dance and listen to the music or b) watch the TV.

To be if your sat at the back of an arena, you're not seeing much. Even half way ln the sides or floor at some, you still don't see anything. The whole myth of we would all see clearly if everyone say down is just ridiculous.

Arenas have those screens because of the vast size and so everyone can see the artist. After a certain seating point, those screens are needed.

TheProphecy · 13/07/2024 10:27

A example - Taylor Swift concerts are so loud, people are shaking the stadiums and wearing ear plugs. There is limited standing as her stage is huge and it sells out. The noise and vibrations generated are clearly not people sitting in their seats.

I am physically disabled so cannot stand for long but I don’t expect people to sit at a huge concert like that. It’s beyond unreasonable.

Getonwitit · 13/07/2024 10:29

Geiyotue · 12/07/2024 19:59

They can still sit and listen to it, but concerts have never been sedate unless classical, so if people want to just sit they need to accept others will be standing at least part of the time. I don't know where this staying seated thing has come from.

If it purely about hearing the music why do singers like Taylor Swift, Beyonce etc spend hundreds of thousands on costumes choreographers, dancers and lighting ? Why don't they just stand at a mic and sing ?

Getonwitit · 13/07/2024 10:33

Geiyotue · 12/07/2024 19:59

They can still sit and listen to it, but concerts have never been sedate unless classical, so if people want to just sit they need to accept others will be standing at least part of the time. I don't know where this staying seated thing has come from.

You expect other to accept the fact you can't sit still yet you yourself are unable to accept other can't stand for long periods of time. Not in the slightest bit entitled are you.

Krumblina · 13/07/2024 10:38

YellowphantGrey · 13/07/2024 09:51

To be if your sat at the back of an arena, you're not seeing much. Even half way ln the sides or floor at some, you still don't see anything. The whole myth of we would all see clearly if everyone say down is just ridiculous.

Arenas have those screens because of the vast size and so everyone can see the artist. After a certain seating point, those screens are needed.

Most gigs aren't arenas.
I don't remember the last arena gig I went to but I go to gigs a lot.

YellowphantGrey · 13/07/2024 10:43

Krumblina · 13/07/2024 10:38

Most gigs aren't arenas.
I don't remember the last arena gig I went to but I go to gigs a lot.

Come on now, you know full well I'm referring to concerts that have screens.

People are getting wound up because they don't want to watch a screen. I've pointed out the use of screens is because they are needed in venues and after a certain sitting point, you need them.

Krumblina · 13/07/2024 10:52

YellowphantGrey · 13/07/2024 10:43

Come on now, you know full well I'm referring to concerts that have screens.

People are getting wound up because they don't want to watch a screen. I've pointed out the use of screens is because they are needed in venues and after a certain sitting point, you need them.

Ok so you don't stand at smaller seated gigs?

MorvernBlack · 13/07/2024 10:54

I do wonder how some people even manage to stand and dance at some venues, the fear of falling in some of the high steep venues is real. Maybe that's the trick if you want to sit, only book the vertigo inducing seats.

Tiredalwaystired · 13/07/2024 10:57

MangosteenSoda · 13/07/2024 08:57

Well, I posted because I was interested in the responses. And because I posed the question of seated only sections which a lot of people seem to agree with but which you haven’t mentioned.

I don’t think I was particularly selfish to stand at an event where standing is allowed and encouraged. Ideally, everyone would have stood at the same time and I was a bit self conscious of being in the first 25% but my favourite songs were at the beginning of the set 🤷🏻‍♀️

I actually feel much less bad about annoying people off the back of this thread because the posters who are outraged and who don’t seem to think separate areas would be a workable solution, strike me as being the professionally annoyed sort of people who are looking for ire around every corner.

If you’d read my bit they don’t currently offer a seated section to everyone that might need it. It specifically said in the terms and conditions at the one I went to that those recovering from surgery, had broken limbs or were pregnant would not be permitted and you had to have a proven disability lasting longer than a year. As a lot of gig tickets go on sale a year in advance how that pregnant person is supposed to plan I don’t know.

since your solution of offering a seated only section doesn’t actually exist, you were definitely unreasonable at this point. If it does exist at some point in the future, my opinion changes.

PerkyMintDeer · 13/07/2024 11:03

YellowphantGrey · 13/07/2024 09:51

To be if your sat at the back of an arena, you're not seeing much. Even half way ln the sides or floor at some, you still don't see anything. The whole myth of we would all see clearly if everyone say down is just ridiculous.

Arenas have those screens because of the vast size and so everyone can see the artist. After a certain seating point, those screens are needed.

That's why I pay more and don't sit in restricted view seats. I just wouldn't go if I have to sit at the back. I pick my seats carefully to suit my access needs and if they aren't available, I suck it up and realise it's not possible for me to attend.

YellowphantGrey · 13/07/2024 11:11

PerkyMintDeer · 13/07/2024 11:03

That's why I pay more and don't sit in restricted view seats. I just wouldn't go if I have to sit at the back. I pick my seats carefully to suit my access needs and if they aren't available, I suck it up and realise it's not possible for me to attend.

It's not always restricted view seats. For example Bon Jovi at the Richo arena. Stage at one goal end, pitch for standing then seating all the way round. Lower block seating nearer the stage is easy access. There are screens either side of the stage projecting the band. No restricted view seats, these are blocked off and not sold.

The screens are needed because just before the halfway line, it becomes impossible because of the size of the place. People sitting down in their seats wouldn't mean the screens aren't needed yet posters on here are saying they refuse to look at a screen because people are standing.

The screens are needed and not because people stand!

AllIThinkAbourIsKarma · 13/07/2024 11:14

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CandiedPrincess · 13/07/2024 11:15

Most seated tickets actually state 'people around you may stand'.

I've never been to a single concert in the seated section where people actually stay seated. Why would they? You're there to enjoy yourself, sing, dance, wave your arms. If you don't like that, stay at home, watch it on YouTube.

Sometimes the seated area is the only option if you have kids under 14, doesn't mean they should have to sit the whole time because of some moaning minnie behind them.

CandiedPrincess · 13/07/2024 11:15

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Or....they could also stand.

K0OLA1D · 13/07/2024 11:16

CandiedPrincess · 13/07/2024 11:15

Or....they could also stand.

Not everyone is able to do that though. As this thread has explained.

CandiedPrincess · 13/07/2024 11:17

K0OLA1D · 13/07/2024 11:16

Not everyone is able to do that though. As this thread has explained.

Then you have to suck it up that someone might stand in front of you, or not go.

AllIThinkAbourIsKarma · 13/07/2024 11:20

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K0OLA1D · 13/07/2024 11:20

CandiedPrincess · 13/07/2024 11:17

Then you have to suck it up that someone might stand in front of you, or not go.

It's ace being disabled. Beautiful attitude people have

PerkyMintDeer · 13/07/2024 11:20

YellowphantGrey · 13/07/2024 11:11

It's not always restricted view seats. For example Bon Jovi at the Richo arena. Stage at one goal end, pitch for standing then seating all the way round. Lower block seating nearer the stage is easy access. There are screens either side of the stage projecting the band. No restricted view seats, these are blocked off and not sold.

The screens are needed because just before the halfway line, it becomes impossible because of the size of the place. People sitting down in their seats wouldn't mean the screens aren't needed yet posters on here are saying they refuse to look at a screen because people are standing.

The screens are needed and not because people stand!

We're not on the same page.

I don't mean "Restricted View Seats" as in "officially sold as Restricted View Seats".

I mean seats where I'm perfectly aware I won't able to see the artist because my view is going to be restricted. I wouldn't book tickets in any of the areas you've brought up and I'd research lay out of stages before booking.

I know how sight lines work and I never said the only reason screens are needed are because people stand or that they wouldn't be needed if people didn't stand - perhaps you are confusing me with some other poster? Either way none of this information is especially relevant so no need to keep quoting me really.

K0OLA1D · 13/07/2024 11:21

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Tell my arthritic legs with multiple joint replacements how ridiculous it is. They don't listen to me

YellowphantGrey · 13/07/2024 11:22

PerkyMintDeer · 13/07/2024 11:20

We're not on the same page.

I don't mean "Restricted View Seats" as in "officially sold as Restricted View Seats".

I mean seats where I'm perfectly aware I won't able to see the artist because my view is going to be restricted. I wouldn't book tickets in any of the areas you've brought up and I'd research lay out of stages before booking.

I know how sight lines work and I never said the only reason screens are needed are because people stand or that they wouldn't be needed if people didn't stand - perhaps you are confusing me with some other poster? Either way none of this information is especially relevant so no need to keep quoting me really.

You quoted me first so I replied, now your quoting me back telling me to stop replying 😳