To ban crossbows & Military style knives in UK?

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First time poster, long term reader!

So I've been following the horrific news today about the monster who killed his ex partner, her sister and mother yesterday in Enfield (London).

Louise Hunt- (25) Hannah Hunt- (28) Carol Hunt- (61)

Reports state that he used a crossbow and other weapons (mainly knives) apparently he killed them in quick succession all at once at their home yesterday.

It shocks me how someone can obtain a weapon like a crossbow that fires arrows rapidly with immense force that can easily break through bone and kill. It's literally a gun, it loads and fires to kill if that's your intention.

Does anyone think these kind of weapons should be banned? What purpose do they serve? If it does serve a purpose then at least install a licence to own one where they can do background checks and interview the person for their reasons to owning one.

Alas! Another woman who wanted to be independent was brutally murdered along other her sister and mother for it.

Just a quick edit: killings with crossbows have happened before in the UK

In 2010, 40-year-old Stephen Griffiths killed 3 women in Bradford that he didn't know. He later admitted he was obsessed with killers and had a hatred for women. All 3 women were complete strangers to him.

So it should be divided into categories?

Weapons you stand a chance of escaping or fighting someone off who is using them. If you didn't try hard enough then it's on you

And weapons you stand no chance so let's ban them.

It sounds like the Hunger Games and still implies if you didn't try hard enough to defend yourself then tough.

You clearly haven't read my comments as I've said the exact opposite. 🤦🏼‍♀️

You have no chance to fight off someone with a kitchen knife, a baseball bat. An axe in the context these women died.

amd the argument here is not to ban cross bows as someone went mad in a shopping centre, thr argument is to ban them as a man killed three women in their home. In this context , fine ban them but it would have made no difference.

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No, we do and should ban things that give you no fucking chance to fight back against, like big fuck off knives, automatic weapons, handguns, and crossbows.

Amen to this. It's lovely some people have a hobby playing with these things and its a lovely community and it helps my MH blah di blah di blah. I'm sure people could have said the same about gun clubs, or fan clubs of ninja weapons paraphenalia. Find a hobby that doesnt include weapons, cant be that hard.

The more weapons are banned the better. It's a weak argument to say well a killer will find a way of killing, but what about those that are killing because the weapons are readily available. It's all about reducing the risk and if you cant understand that then there's something wrong.

Who is killing simply as the weapons are readily available? Who? Thats not a thing,

What happens after you've banned crossbows and the next man kills a woman by using a cricket bat? Ban the cricket bat?

A cricket bat's main outride is for sport, but violence.

What is the main purpose of a crossbow?

My argument here was to talk about the relative harm which can be caused quickly by items which are designed and intended as weapons.

Which should be abundantly clear.

Have all the fucking thick incel men descended this afternoon or are other mums that stupid?

Exactly.

It's so fucking obvious.

So men only kill because specific weapons exist and if they didn't, they wouldn't kill?

You also sound angry and aggressive. Probably the type who should also be kept away from weapons if you get this angry over an opinion.

@MrHarleyQuin Im loving your posts and some PP are just being obtuse.

This. Also properly fund women's refuges and shelters. Make it so Family Courts don't allow men to use children to harass mothers. Celebrate single-motherhood and single mothers who've left. Real research into men and women who are 'circuit breakers' in their families who stop the pattern of generational violence. Train every person who touches the life of a child in violence prevention and trauma informed practise. Real intervention in childhood for violence. Address CSA and other ACE properly. Empower girls and women. If we addressed the pay gap and child-caring breaks, women would financially be able to leave more easily and earlier. Be honest about DV. Once a man has done it once, he will do it again. He shouldn't be in a relationship. Treat misogyny like radicalisation, because that's what it is.

We could reduce male violence. We just don't. Banning a form of weapon that has been used a tiny tiny fraction of times feels like 'something'. But that's dangerous. Because we did 'something' which will make no difference at all we walk away feeling better. Male violence carries on unabated.

I go to work today hoping one of the the women I'm supporting hasn't died. Like she almost did last week. No weapon of any kind involved, except a male body.

They are used in sports, like archery and used to be used for hunting but aren't anymore.

They were not created especially for men to kill women.

You can kill someone with a kitchen knife, not even a particularly large kitchen knife, if you know where to cut.

I hope if bows are banned then cars are too. And ladders. Trains. Dog leads. Ice. Trees. Necessary ask these things are involved in many many more avoidable deaths.

The main purpose of a car is transport. You need a licence to drive one, tax to have one in the road, etc.

The main purpose of a ladder is to reach something at height.

The main purpose of a train is mass public transportation. You need a licence and more to drive one.

The main purpose of a dog lead is to safely control a dog when out in public.

The main purpose of ice is to make or keep something cold.

The main purpose of a tree is to provide oxygen into our air and to provide fruit and nuts for animals including us. Trees are necessary for survival.

So what is the main purpose of a crossbow?

So what is the main purpose of a crossbow?

do you not know? Shooting arrows for sport. Archery.

How has that got any relevance to anything? You could kill someone with a piece of paper as well.

I've said banning crossbows won't make a difference. The biggest thing needs to be the consequence for men that choose to kill women.

Banning things is a tiny thing that won't have any impact.

I'm not entirely sure on what you expect me to say? I don't agree with one of your points so you've gone on to call me lazy and not reading properly and now leaving pointing figures and capitalised words.

People are allowed to disagree with part of your statements you know, it doesn't make them wrong.

*They are used in sports, like archery and used to be used for hunting but aren't anymore.

They were not created especially for men to kill women.*

So they were created to kill - which is what hunting is. . Not women no, but animals. A crossbow's main purpose is to kill something. .

If they are now used mainly for sport then why not have similar licenses to the types of guns used for sport? Licences, registration, locked cabinets, restricted places they can be used, kept in sports facilities, etc.

Why exactly do they need to be so easy to buy and own? Why can they be bought and owned by absolutely anyone and kept in their own homes?

The arguments against crossbows by several posters are pretty much the same ones used to protect gun ownership in the IS.

So what is the main purpose of a crossbow?

To repair our mental health.

I want a Challenger 3 for mine (you should read some of my posts....).

That may be the main purpose now. It wasn't initially. As another poster mentioned they were created as weapons initially.

However, if sport - licence them in the way that guns used for sport are licences and registered. What's the problem with doing that? It is what we do with guns. Why not a powerful weapon like a crossbow?

It is no longer the law to train with a bow, and it’s also not legal to kill the welsh

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/i-want-a-swan#

I've not once said they shouldn't be licensed or monitored, show me where you think I've said this?

What I did say was banning them won't achieve much. It won't make them disappear, it won't stop men killing women and it won't end male on female violence.

Until men begin to learn shame and embarrassment and right and wrong, frantically banning everything that will kill someone won't have the impact some people think it will.