To be put off watching anything by Neil Gaiman

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www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/07/03/exclusive-neil-gaiman-accused-of-sexual-assault

Neil Gaiman has been accused of violent sexual assault by two much younger women - just vile.

Anyone else feeling let down and pissed off by this news?

Oh here we fucking go !

Ugh, he's clearly an awful man. The signs were there though, in fairness.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/sandman-writer-neil-gaiman-denies-142813982.html?guccounter=1&gucereferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guceereferrersig=AQAAAHLelbsqSKhFwpWGn2vmdeBDpPkbtGrPTDqsPQ1oOUbJvP1MiXFLA3rHLREN92L1OkU8I2SjNuTN8pQJYRjIShjwLClSbHsXZDrfROPCLS7orYjJEvU5FUUPfdeOwT06P9vJMMhS2BbkzKYJCXtvaKVxK8QtDMYWV9DzmbW5WJwW

Timeline of events

I must say I thought the text the next morning talking about the amazing night etc was really strange given the allegations.

BUT I've now listened to the first section of the podcast and that really brings out the vulnerability of the young woman and the total power imbalance. It totally brings out her emotional turmoil at the time and her naivety. It actually makes the morning after text explainable because of her inability to make sense to herself about what had happened. And it comes over he was very practised in manipulating.

The pod cast is really well done but I don't know whether I can stomach the other 3 parts because it is actually quite a distressing listen.

Not listening to the podcast. He has already admitted a consensual relationship with a 22 year nanny he met 4 hours previously, and that huge power imbalance is enough for me to say he is a predator.

Isn’t everyone entitled to a fair trial though ?

Yes, for the allegation of sexual assault. But he has already admitted to the "relationship" and that's enough to put me off. I have a 22 year old cleaner, and I can;t imagine my 55 year old Dh inveigling her into a consensual relationship 4 hours after he met her, even assuming we were in an "open marriage" as Neil claims he was. Perve.

Firstly you don't know me and know little about me, so perhaps wind ya neck in a little.

I am sorry to trot out the British legal system, but that is what happens in this country. Someone is accused, there is a trial, and that person is found guilty or not.
Not a new found commitment in me - just a commitment that everyone should have a fair trial. Served on Jurys three times now.
In my case I do not bring this maxim to cases only against violence to women and children. If others do that is their concern not mine.
I do not believe in trial my media - social or printed - and especially do not believe in trial by Mumsnet.

But I thought the vast majority of sexual assaults never reach the court? Are all those men accused but never taken to trial not guilty? All of them?

I've been a fan of his writing since I was a teenager - 30 years or so now. Setting aside the actual rape allegations to take out the innocent until proven guilty issue, his version of events and defence of what happened - presumably meant to put him in as good a light as possible - make him look bad. Maybe not illegal, but would anyone here want him around their 20-ish-year-old daughter?

Right now I don't want to continue watching Good Omens 2 or The Sandman (I'm behind on watching them). I certainly will not read Calliope ever again, I haven't watched that episode yet and doubt I ever will.

Agree he is a gross perv. Not condoning it. But at the same time there is no proof a crime was committed yet

It sounds like a horrendous mess, even if there isn’t enough evidence to convict of any crime. A relationship with such a large age gap (with a married older partner) is creepy and sinister enough as it is but the added power imbalance (he’s a world renowned author, he was her employer, he’s married to a fairly famous pop star) and the bdsm stuff. Wow. What a creepy fucking weirdo.

Neil Gaiman and Amanda Palmer have both made HUGE amounts of money both individually and together as part of their marriage, largely because they were ‘on the right side’ of feminism. Amanda isn’t responsible for his actions, but she is responsible for her own - her response to the woman approaching her is to tell her she’s number 14?! What. A. Class. A. Nob.

Number 14 is extreme - how many others are there before you realise this man has more than a few power issues going on?

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His first speaking gig since the allegations has been cancelled.

I just realised that the journalist who exposed him appears to be the son of Daphne Galizia, the Maltese journalist who was killed when investigating the Panama Papers.

Thank you, this nails the whole attitude.

I used to love his books. Can’t read him anymore. Arsehole. Just a complete creep.

Not on social media.
That goes double for Mumsnet.

Eh? I am not accusing him of assault. I am accusing him of an act he has admitted to, namely a 'consensual relationship' with very young women a few hours after they entered his house, when he was in a position of power over them. That is not consent by any definition. Or a relationship
That is plenty to be going on without having to prove assault

Neil Gaimen is 63 not 45. Creepy and into violent sex with a young woman employed to mind his child, living in- nowhere to escape to.

What? It's a reasonable sentiment.
No need to read more in to it.

Tbh I don't get invested in the personal lives of artists whose work I admire, to the extent that it effects how I see their work.
Most artists have to be unpleasant to some degree or other, in order to focus on what they do.
I can't see the point in seeing their work through the filter of their personality.

You are claiming that a discussion forum is a țrial. He's not on trial here ffs, he's being discussed. Would you rather that we'd just shut up, know our place and all that?

All men should be banished from this earth. Absolute disgrace.

Certainly your choice @Sausagenbacon but I don't agree they " have to be unpleasant". I do agree that most idols have feet of clay. Alice Munro, for one.