War in Ukraine

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In today's news Russia has bombed a children's hospital in Kiev. Where is the uproar at a loss of life of 40 and increasing as I write?
I am wondering why Stop The War coalition group never demonstrates against Russia's brutal invasion of Ukraine on a regular basis and they do on Israel/Gaza.
There is no subject heading on MN to discuss the ongoing war, unlike Conflict in the Middle East? Why is that? Are Ukrainian lives lesser than others?

But we expect Israel to throw down its arms while the western world appears to be appeasing Russian aggression. Have we learned nothing from history?

Pmsl 🤣 yes, that’ll stop the war. All the nice ladies from mn will have a little march, it’ll ‘reach putins ears’, and that’ll be sure to stop him!!

Just like the constant demos that have taken place in London since 7th October have stopped the war? Pmsl yourself.

Well there you go they don’t change shit so what do you want to happen.

Israel is dependent on the good esteem of the international community in a way that Russia is not. Protests about Gaza are not intended to express discontent to the Israeli population but to encourage our own governments to make it difficult for the Israeli leaswrs to continue aggressions by withholding aid. Russia does not receive similar aid from Western nations. There is nothing for Western powers to withhold.

Perhaps it would be possible to organize protests to encourage the UK government to increase aid to Ukraine. That's something you could pursue.

Ongoing thread on war in Ukraine in Chat .

I don’t even get what that means tbh. My point was they don’t stop the war?

YANBU OP. Stop the War don't give a stuff about anything if it's not Gaza. They were in favour of withdrawing military support from Ukraine. I've not seen any comment from them on this latest bombing. They have their own agenda.

The previous poster is right.
It's getting tedious.
Czech citizen here.

OP is ignoring these direct answers.

It's almost like they're not actually interested in Ukraine, and the only point of the original post was to criticise the gaza protest marches.

Wow. Did you miss the point that I have Ukrainian ancestry?

I am very invested in the huge loss of life at the hands of the Russians. I have noted the threads on Chat but that doesn't prevent me from pursuing this one or is that not allowed?

There is an ENTIRE BOARD dedicated to the Conflict in the Middle East, yet people are having a go at the OP for asking why there isn't a single thread on this latest Russian atrocity. "Go the the Ukraine chat thread" really doesn't cut it. There is huge hypocrisy here.

Exactly my point in starting this thread. Thank you.

Because the support for Gaza is usually due to race baiting

You think it's tedious? I'm sure the Ukrainian people are finding it a bit more than tedious. Wars go on for a long time

I think there is more general agreement who is the aggressor in the Ukraine conflict and perhaps a feeling that the uk government and the population are pretty well aligned and that the current uk actions including sanctions for example are appropriate

Whereas with the other conflict - there is a lot of differences of opinion with many people surprised that there is no action against Israel

Perhaps also the deaths in the Ukraine war have been mostly troops as opposed to mostly civilians?

Indeed they do, so you can’t really Expect it outrage and front cover news to continue every day forever, unless it directly affects your country.

As someone else said the reason Gaza/Isreal hits the papers still is because there is arguments over which side is right or wrong within certain actions. Everyone agrees Putin shouldn’t invade, the end. Now it’s just supplying arms and cash till one side gives up.

That almost always happens so people can hide the whole topic and don’t have to see any threads.

And the reason there were so many was because of differences of opinion over blame and the U.K. position. Ukraine is different in that nobody really believes that the blame lies anywhere but wholly Russia and the U.K. are already sanctioning Russia and providing support to Ukraine. Arguably not enough support but I doubt that there is that much nuance on the Middle East threads.

I’s be surprised if in 18months there are more than a couple of long running threads on Israel/Gaza. War fatigue will set in there too.

Of course we arnt appeasing putin.... Ukraine Is still being supported financially and in other ways by the UK and it's also a risk to ourselves as we are now considered proxy partners in it. No ones asking for the help for ukraine to stop though are they....

I think it's not on actually to say because we arnt protesting something he won't see and doesn't affect him means we're appeasing him. He doesn't care what we think or want he hates us....

Our government isn't arming or funding Russia. That's the difference in terms of public protests. We are protesting our own government's craven and disgusting collusion in appalling and illegal atrocities.

I find it hard to understand your insinuation that the UK hasn't shown sufficient support for, and outrage on behalf of, Ukrainians. I think we have pulled out all the stops, personally - but for the reasons given, large-scale public protests against Russia aren't part of that response.

As far as I remember , it was offered to create an entire board for Ukraine but it was refused by main posters on Ukraine thread. They didn't want that.

Why?

Probably because then it would never be on the main boards so unless people where looking for it it would never be seen.

It's good that posts about Ukraine are not relegated to a sub topic

The CITME section is just the same few posters, posting the same things for pages and pages

I'd hate Ukraine topics to end up
Like that

putin couldn’t care less what we think.

I am currently in a country where most of those around me are Russian. The animosity is palpable and very unpleasant.