Is there money to do what Labour wants to do?

[AutismHelp1980]

The majority of us are feeling optimistic today and we should!

However my concern is, is there the money to do what Labour needs to do? I keep thinking back to Gordon Brown selling off our gold!

@NewName24 @MissyB1

Ah didn't take long for the excuses!

So people are only "happy to pay more tax" if they are forced to pay more tax?

Ok.

Look, let's be honest, no one would choose to pay more tax so let's not pretend otherwise.

I guess a lot of people aren’t going to like their methods because it will mean the rich aren’t going to keep getting richer at the same rate they have been 🤷‍♀️

Sour grapes!

I think you are spot on. Although It's not a question of more or less privatisation. Every function is almost completely contracted out, and it's not even worth considering if some areas of social life such as social care, education and administrative processes such as welfare assessments should be. The process of privatisation goes back as far as '79. The problem is that profits are privatised whilst losses and risks socialised. Public/private enterprise and initiatives need to share the risks so that private companies, shareholders and investors are forced to; share the risk, share more transparently how they will achieve the outcome, share intellectual insights and property rights, not necessarily 'own' or expect to have complete autonomy over the functions for which they are contracted. A major issue now appears to be not just how can we pay, because we do pay, we pay vast sums of money to private companies and management consultants. The government and Whitehall have very little management oversight, and no direct knowledge of how either manage these contracts, or how to bring these functions back into public ownership and control.

Mariana Mazzucato is worth reading on this. Government investment is very much key to creating growth. Although I'd also point out that there are now trillions of dollars globally that are not invested because wealthy individuals see little to no incentive to invest. This phenomena sits alongside rising government debt, quite a coincidence isn't it!

This with bells on

No, they were quite clever about that, talking quite a bit about not raising personal tax rates. There's quite a lot else that they can do that will impact many people directly - stamp duty , inheritance tax, capital gains, vat .... and also indirectly - business rates...

Services will improve and that needs paying g for them.

Oh another one that feel generous and even better umdertaxed. Pls feel free to donate to the government.

www.gov.uk/guidance/voluntary-payments-donations-to-government

I heard that every home in the land is being fitted with a meter to measure the air we breathe, so they can tax us on it 🤣🤣

I don't think I'd mind paying more tax if that money was managed wisely. With many parts of the NHS outsourced to create private profits its just simply a case of emptying my pockets into the hands of already super wealthy investors for very little improvement in services.

Oh this is going great! Let us know how much you will donate.
www.gov.uk/guidance/voluntary-payments-donations-to-government

You'll also see hefty rises on things like fuel duty and air passenger duty, all in the name of "tackling climate change"

Don't be silly. Paying more tax only works if everyone does it.

May the new PM should start by bringing people together. However, he is not is he? It is a party for one part of the population only. A good politician think of everyone in their country.

Quite frankly.anyone qho can work shoukd work cos we need ro increase.nimber of people working. This means company ies being kroe.flexoble to accommodate people with health issues who can work a few hours but not tradition 9-5.

Only those who really cannot work should be looked after by the state.

@LameBorzoi

It's not silly though is it? The government may or may not increase tax. In the meantime, why can't those who are "happy to pay more tax" take the initiative and do just that?

The rest of us who aren't happy will just pay more when we have no choice in the matter.

With so many people coming up as saying they would happily pay more and so many Labour voters with that mindset already. They should go ahead. However in real life I know how they refuse to pay taxes and ask for cash in hand those repugnant people 🤮

This is the only sense in the whole thread. We will be taxed even higher, through every stealth tax possible. VAT? Booze? Petrol? You better believe those will be hit, and very soon.

You've got some type of straw man argument going on.

There's got to be some type of name for this situation. It's one where if everyone makes a change, things get better, but it only works if everyone does it. If only a few people do it, it disadvantages those few people, and those few people aren't enough to make things better

Because one person doing it won't make a difference.

Do send a postcard.

From where? She said she would remain here.

Some people have quite a lot to show for it.
Michelle Mone for one.

One person casting their vote in a general election won't make a difference, but people still vote.

It's ok. You won't be phoning HMRC in the morning to donate money to HM Treasury despite being happy to do so. I get it.

No she didn’t.
‘Those of us (her group) who don’t’

Says nothing about her plans.

If Labour don't engage in an enormous spending spree to reverse the impact of 14 years of Conservative austerity and public sector neglect, they'll be accused by everyone on both the left and the right of failure and hypocrisy.

If they do signficantly increase public spending and have to raise taxes to fund this, the right will shout about 'same old tax and spend Labour'.

So maybe some of the detractors here would like to explain what they think Labour can or should do to improve the state of public services and the country.