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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To feel disappointed in my friends?

80 replies

TheOnlyVoter · 04/07/2024 21:00

I’m 30yo Female.

Have a group of friends, mainly since school/college. 8 of us in a group chat. All range from 28 - 31 yo. See each other regularly. Meals out, baby showers, hen dos, bbq’s, etc. all close.

I am the only one who voted. The rest of them either couldn’t be bothered or “don’t understand politics”.

I feel really sad and disappointed. AIBU?

OP posts:
AliceMcK · 05/07/2024 00:37

ColinMyWifeBridgerton · 04/07/2024 23:52

Me too. I absolutely love voting, and I think about the brave women who fought for my right to vote every single time I step into a polling station. Today I had the joy of taking my DS with me for the first time, and I felt moved thinking that comparatively few children in history will have watched their mums vote like it's normal, and see all the women and men in that polling station on equal footings, their voices counting the same. There are many things I worry about, when it comes to the type of society and planet that we are leaving for our children, but today I had the rare feelings that we've at least got something majorly right.

Having said that - OP, I'd try not to take it personally and try to avoid disappointment. I think that people can go through stages and depending on what's going on in their immediate life, politics can seem daunting and distant from the details of their lives. Also people sometimes don't vote if nothing feels like a perfect fit, or I'd they feel disenfranchised by the system. The real question is, why haven't these politicians managed to inspire people to vote for them?

Alternatively you can invite them round for a viewing of Paola Cortellesi's film "there's still tomorrow". I am not exaggerating when I say that this film is the most perspective changing film I've ever seen in my life. I'd recommend everyone see it, it'll get you running to the polling station.

My DDs have seen me vote, I think it’s extremely important to teach them why it’s so important especially for women to use their voices, something I was never taught.

All 3 were in school today but I donned my necklace with their names on and my suffrage ring, tidied myself up and was very proud to vote as a woman.

HeddaGarbled · 05/07/2024 00:44

It’s beneficial for all of us if vacuous people don’t vote. They’d probably be all “Keir’s boring, I’ll vote for the entertaining charlatan (Johnson, Farage etc)”.

Ooral · 05/07/2024 01:07

Onabench · 04/07/2024 22:27

Rather than judging your friends, it could be worth wondering why there isn't a single party out there that can inspire them to vote
The bar is LOW

This - 100%.

UnwantedOpinionBelow · 05/07/2024 01:10

Focus on your own vote. Their vote, their decision. I voted by the way.

marmarmalade · 05/07/2024 02:26

Come to Australia - everyone votes.

Iffx · 05/07/2024 05:48

Don’t fall out with your friends over this. They have the right, not the obligation. They haven’t hurt anyone.

ShortnStout87 · 05/07/2024 06:19

Have I missed something in the ops comments, she’s expressed a disappointment nothing more nothing less. She hasn’t fallen out with anyone, even discussed it with them, just gone on an anonymous forum to express an opinion 🤨.

TheOnlyVoter · 05/07/2024 06:38

Iffx · 05/07/2024 05:48

Don’t fall out with your friends over this. They have the right, not the obligation. They haven’t hurt anyone.

For God’s sake, I’d never fall out with my friends over this 😂 Where have I said that I’ve fell out with them? I love them.

I’m just disappointed, that’s all. It will pass.

OP posts:
Brandonsflowers · 05/07/2024 06:57

PassingStranger · 04/07/2024 22:35

None of your business. Why even discuss it with them. Nobody ask me.
People will have their reasons. It's their choice.

It's not always a choice though. Some people aren't educated about politics. My ex's family never discussed politics, elections or how to even vote with him. Now he doesn't vote because he's apathetic to it all.

I grew up in a very political household - was brought up to spoilt my ballot if I wanted to make a point etc. I'm trying to teach my kids to be the same. They came with me to vote last night because they wanted to see it all. I don't necessarily want them to agree with my POV (11YO already disagrees with me on plenty!). But I want them to actually have an opinion and care about what happens in their own lives and their country.

HollyBollyBooBoo · 05/07/2024 07:17

I feel the same, cannot believe people's apathy towards a GE.

FestivalVibes · 05/07/2024 07:41

Yes it’s disappointing and a bit dismal. However, not that unusual.

I have a male friend who works in a senior, director level, role for a very large company. He’s great to be around, funny, engaging, chatty, very knowledgeable in the subject area he works and in topics like music, cinema, sport, science.

On politics he doesn’t have a clue. Barely knows which party is “left” and “right”, and doesn’t even know what those terms mean. Doesn’t vote, ever. Goes blank when politics is raised.

Alwaystired23 · 05/07/2024 07:47

EmeraldRoulette · 04/07/2024 22:53

And until 106 years ago, all men didn't have the vote either. People seem to forget that a lot.

@TheOnlyVoter I bet a lot of them did but didn't want to talk about it.

Edited

I didn't know that tbh.

LumiB · 05/07/2024 07:57

Well as far I know it's still a choice to vote. Do you judge them on all their choices?

I just can't personally judge my family.or friends on if they vote, don't vote, who they voted for. It's their choice their opinion on the matter. I'm friends with them for other reasons.

dottydodah · 05/07/2024 08:00

Mum used to impress upon me the inportance of voting as women fought so hard to win the vote for us all. Surely reading the Newspaper.social media ,and so on should tell is which way we want to go? My friend was all set to vote then changed their mind!WtF?

TheOnlyVoter · 05/07/2024 08:51

LumiB · 05/07/2024 07:57

Well as far I know it's still a choice to vote. Do you judge them on all their choices?

I just can't personally judge my family.or friends on if they vote, don't vote, who they voted for. It's their choice their opinion on the matter. I'm friends with them for other reasons.

Yes I judge them on all choices, what they cook for tea, what colour shirts they wear, what brand of beans they buy.

🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃

jesus wept.

OP posts:
aLFIESMA · 05/07/2024 09:23

I have noticed that folk who've been moaning about the 'state of everything' lately to me are the very ones who can, be bothered to vote!

aLFIESMA · 05/07/2024 09:24

Can't be bothered to vote (fat fingers, sorry)

TellMeWhoTheVillainsAre · 05/07/2024 10:32

Mnetcurious · 04/07/2024 21:07

Wow, yanbu. The next time they complain about not being able to get a GP appointment, their child being taught by someone unqualified, or similar, remind them this is why it’s important to vote and you really have no right to complain when you haven’t tried to make your voice heard in the easiest way.

Honest question...

What changes do you expect a new government to implement? How do you think the health system will change? The education system? Taxation?

I think all parties at this stage are just 2 sides of the same coin. Whoever is in power has a budget and have to stick to it. If one thing is significantly improved (if even possible!) another thing will lose out.

With a new government now, how do you see change? What do you think they will change for the better?

HowIrresponsible · 05/07/2024 10:36

Alwaystired23 · 04/07/2024 22:31

I was saying to my husband earlier that I always feel a bit emotional when I vote. He said, "Why?". Because 100 ish years ago, as a woman, I wouldn't have been allowed. So I will always vote for this very reason.

100 years ago only women over 30 with property were granted the right to vote.

Your husband sounds like an arse. As if he deliberately highlights the differences with poor little women. Voting rights for both sexes have always existed in your life time so I'm not sure why he gets emotional at his wife voting.

TellMeWhoTheVillainsAre · 05/07/2024 10:40

HowIrresponsible · 05/07/2024 10:36

100 years ago only women over 30 with property were granted the right to vote.

Your husband sounds like an arse. As if he deliberately highlights the differences with poor little women. Voting rights for both sexes have always existed in your life time so I'm not sure why he gets emotional at his wife voting.

SHE gets emotional.

He doesn't.

Thedayb4youcame · 05/07/2024 10:42

HowIrresponsible · 05/07/2024 10:36

100 years ago only women over 30 with property were granted the right to vote.

Your husband sounds like an arse. As if he deliberately highlights the differences with poor little women. Voting rights for both sexes have always existed in your life time so I'm not sure why he gets emotional at his wife voting.

Eh? 🙄

Alwaystired23 · 05/07/2024 11:00

HowIrresponsible · 05/07/2024 10:36

100 years ago only women over 30 with property were granted the right to vote.

Your husband sounds like an arse. As if he deliberately highlights the differences with poor little women. Voting rights for both sexes have always existed in your life time so I'm not sure why he gets emotional at his wife voting.

He's not an arse, not in the slightest. I said I get emotional when voting, and he just asked me why. I suppose you could say the same about me. Why do I get emotional about voting, after all I've always been able to, my whole life. I do, however, appreciate the sacrifices that went before me to allow me to be able to vote. That's all.

Freyaaaa · 05/07/2024 11:27

That's not bad at all, alot of people around the UK didn't vote! I voted yesterday for labour party, not because I believe in them, I think nothing will change, I just despise the Tories so much. Most people I know are very downbeaten with politics... They feel hopeless with all the parties.

TellMeWhoTheVillainsAre · 05/07/2024 13:44

Brandonsflowers · 05/07/2024 06:57

It's not always a choice though. Some people aren't educated about politics. My ex's family never discussed politics, elections or how to even vote with him. Now he doesn't vote because he's apathetic to it all.

I grew up in a very political household - was brought up to spoilt my ballot if I wanted to make a point etc. I'm trying to teach my kids to be the same. They came with me to vote last night because they wanted to see it all. I don't necessarily want them to agree with my POV (11YO already disagrees with me on plenty!). But I want them to actually have an opinion and care about what happens in their own lives and their country.

Do you know spoilt ballots don't make any kind of statement? They get treated exactly the same as an accidentally spoiled ballot.

As for people abstaining @TheOnlyVoter, if a person is not informed enough to make a decision that they confidentially feel is the correct one and the one that most stands for their beliefs they absolutely should abstain. It would be like sending a child in and asking them to pick and random box they like. If people aren't informed they should abstain.

Now, as to whether or not they should make the effort to inform themselves - that's another question!

But as already mentioned, change of government doesn't necessarily mean change in any meaningful way. It'll be interesting to see...

TellMeWhoTheVillainsAre · 05/07/2024 13:48

FestivalVibes · 05/07/2024 07:41

Yes it’s disappointing and a bit dismal. However, not that unusual.

I have a male friend who works in a senior, director level, role for a very large company. He’s great to be around, funny, engaging, chatty, very knowledgeable in the subject area he works and in topics like music, cinema, sport, science.

On politics he doesn’t have a clue. Barely knows which party is “left” and “right”, and doesn’t even know what those terms mean. Doesn’t vote, ever. Goes blank when politics is raised.

For him not voting is a sensible choice. If he doesn't know what he's voting for he's right to not vote.

As people have said we have the right to vote. But it's not an obligation.

That's a stronger statement then some "sticking-it-to-the-man" spoiled vote. Questions are often asked about why such a low turnout. Nobody ever questions why people spoiled their ballot. Accidental v deliberate is irrelevant and not examined or monitored by anyone.

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