Wales what's the point in voting when it's devolved

[justasking111]

What is the point? So many family and friends aren't bothering because it's irrelevant to Wales. Nobody gives a toss in Westminster.

Exactly! @justasking111 What are you taking exception to?

1. I want the Tories out of Wales entirely - doesn’t matter where I live in Wales for that to be a valid issue.
2. Do I own homes in Carmarthen and Colwyn? No, but I don’t have to in order to have an opinion. Have I lived in both Carmarthen and Colwyn in the past? Yes! Do I have family/friends who live in both places now? Yes!

I am not ignorant of the challenges in different places across the country. My current job is pan-Wales and I work for a charity concerned with communities in deprivation. I drove 759 miles last week to talk to people across Wales.

You don’t have to agree with my politics but to somehow think I don’t have a right to speak on Wales as a whole is nuts. I would rather we kicked out a party who have never been shown to give a crap about Cymru. You don’t have to agree with me, but to suggest I am not allowed to have a view on politics across the whole of Wales because I live in Swansea is not only wrong but everything that is wrong with society too - you are allowed to care about people living in other parts of your country who are in desparate straits and where the blue rosettes have done nothing for them.

@justasking111 And we achieved the first point. Almost like I know my own country!!

I don't think that Westminster MPs can override our senedd now.

They absolutely can and do regularly.

Eh? I have no idea what this means. You really don’t seem to understand the system. Westminster decides on non-devolved matters. Senedd decides on devolved matters. No overruling in either direction.

I do understand, two friends are assembly members so have explained how it works.

Our senedd are more civilised than Westminster, more respect for other members.

Westminster could learn from us about civil interaction.

I don’t disagree. But there’s no ‘overruling’ involved which is wha5 I was replying to.

Can you give any examples?

That would be illuminating

All devolved powers are block granted in Westminster. Since 100% of the tax raised in Wales is paid to England, processed and some sent back to fund devolved departments Wales need representatives to push for the tax & grants to be fairer which currently they aren't.

Wales what's the point in voting when it's devolved

Is it news to you that it’s not only Wales that is devolved?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0w0r3d7z07o

Stop being dumb maybe?

So would you responding to my earlier post I guess.

Google exists if you can be bloody bothered. But I have provided an example for the terminal lazy of thinking.

@justasking111 Also hurrah, what did I say about blue in Wales? Came true didn’t it. I don’t get why you are nasty.

I think I’d misunderstood your point earlier. But I do think that Westminster cannot pass legislation that would affect Wales in a devolved area without the Senedd agreeing to it in a vote in Plenary session.

Fair play, thanks for saying that, but it’s usually the other way around from the scenario you have outlined. The relationship is fraught and reinterpreted regularly. And not by Wales.