Wales what's the point in voting when it's devolved

[justasking111]

What is the point? So many family and friends aren't bothering because it's irrelevant to Wales. Nobody gives a toss in Westminster.

It's a poisoned chalice perhaps?

I’m not sure really. Just there must be some way to give them more teeth. Like I say though, I’m not sure cutting our losses and moving on from the Union isn’t a better plan.

What would you replace them with. Do you have homes in all of these places?

I’m assuming replace them with someone not Tory? The Welsh Tories come off as rather anti Wales a lot of the time as well as other issues with Tories in general. It’s ok for someone to want Tories not to get in in places they don’t live in. They can’t influence it, but they can have a preference.

I'd love to see proper devolution across the UK - a federal system. Leave Whitehall just with Defence, Foreign Affairs and a few other items of national importance and devolve the rest down to a local level. That means regional autonomy across different parts of England too. It works elsewhere.

Jo Stevens gets my vote and as someone said above is likely to make cabinet.

Absolutely.

Okay but I think it's high handed to insist someone who lives in Colwyn bay to remove Tories from Carmarthen and vice versa
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Who has insisted anything? Saying you would like something to happen or you hope it does isn’t insisting. It doesn’t seem to be just U.K. politics you are having trouble understanding.

You realise the labour party have had a Welsh Prime Minister from a Welsh constituency don't you?

I'd say that's "getting picked"

Who? Lloyd George was a Liberal. Ramsey MacDonald and Callaghan both represented Welsh constituencies for at least part of their careers but one was a Scot, the other from Portsmouth.

Surely vote for Plaid Cymru then?

I've had plenty of tat through my door from Reform about immigration. Although I do live in a part of Wales that once had a branch of the English Defence Legue (I shit you not) and voted for Brexit.

Lloyd George was a liberal over a century ago

I keep my beak out of other constituencies because their issues are theirs alone

Jim Callaghan was MP for Cardiff South and Penarth though he wasn’t actually Welsh.

There’s lots of constituencies not 8n Wales I have hopes for, because I’m thinking about what I’d like the calibre of politicians in both government and opposition to be. But then I’m engaged in politics generally.
Its really odd to categorise being interested in what might happen in another part of the country as ‘sticking your beak in’.

And? Lots of MPs don’t originally come from the area which they represent. If they move there and take an interest in local affairs as well as national ones and do a good job for the constituents there’s no issue really.

Exactly. They are our voice and what happens in WM affects us all!!

I can have hopes for them but realistically I don't and can't know the challenges that they face

But that’s all the post you took issue with said. That the poster hoped they’d get rid of the Tories.

Yep, totally see your point and it makes sense. Although I think it’s a one way street for us now though. How much longer do they need to demonstrate and acknowledge that Wales is a valuable part of the Union?

When Rishi said: “I’m going to carry on calling it Brecon Beacons”… well done on being tone deaf, snide and generally connoting the point that Welsh culture means nothing to Westminster. Barnett formula (even Barnett is embarrassed by it), HS2, all overlooking and treating us like second class citizens. No acknowledgement that we are the second best in the world for recycling, or that we are aiming to become the world’s first Nation of Sanctuary… no we are the halfwits the other side of the bridge who twang harps and spit when we speak…

Or that we have a better GDP per head than more than one EU country…

100% - federalism is the way forward, would make Cornwall happy too!

Indeed! Don’t get me started! Have just seen the OP challenge me on something so let me gird my loins because it’s just nuts…

Just watched a piece on Port Talbot steelworks. That's so sad. Tata have had so much money, made so many promises that just haven't worked out.

We do need some inward investment for employment in the short term as well as a long term plan.